Thread: 11 second street rod?

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Originally Posted by 41willys

Back in the late 70's we raced at a track in Missouri that was dominated by several VW's. I used to hate run those things. One guy worked at a speed shop in the small town of Poplar Bluff. He drove his bug to work everyday and ran low 11's all day long at the track on Sunday. There is somehow a feeling of dispondency that comes over you when you see the tailights of a bug pass you in the traps.
John

Used to be a guy w/ an old bug that ran a Porsche motor out back- had some exotic intake w/ 2 huge carbs sitting on top of a snake of tubes placing the carbs up near the rear window. Out back- it had a chute & a long single wheelie bar. This monster would click off mid 9's all day long. Used to love watching people's reaction when some serious backhalfed Chevelle or Nova would race the bug & it was the bug that was playing catch-up!

Originally Posted by John Palmer

Build a VW and then tell him ANYTIME he's ready. No V-8 guy likes loosing to a aircooled VW Bug! There are many "ten second capable" VW"s driven on the street everyday.

Yeah, a certain light Blue 1960 Euro Ragtop comes to mind... or maybe a white '67 hardtop or red 65 convertible from San Marcos...

Originally Posted by 26Tudor

Yeah, a certain light Blue 1960 Euro Ragtop comes to mind... or maybe a white '67 hardtop or red 65 convertible from San Marcos...

LOL Kafer Dave, Agree, advice to anyone driving through San Marcos, CA and you see an early convertable red bug "don't mess with it"! It's street driven, and they have a photo with "top down" picking up a X-Mas tree in the back of it. This bug has a BIG turbo hidden under the rear package tray, stays cool by running alcohol. And yes it has run low 9's at Las Vegas.

Originally Posted by John Palmer

LOL Kafer Dave, Agree, advice to anyone driving through San Marcos, CA and you see an early convertable red bug "don't mess with it"! It's street driven, and they have a photo with "top down" picking up a X-Mas tree in the back of it. This bug has a BIG turbo hidden under the rear package tray, stays cool by running alcohol. And yes it has run low 9's at Las Vegas.

Last I heard from Kris, he ran a 9.15.
(and yes, that is in the QUARTER-MILE)

Gotta be careful with those Bugs..ya never know what's hiding under the decklid.
In fact the whole Cal-Look movement was kinda started that way... clean, lowered, one color paint job, no bumpers for clean asthetics, nothing obtrusive or "blingy", just a clean lil' Bug, with a warp 10 motor in it...

Originally Posted by 26Tudor

Last I heard from Kris, he ran a 9.15.
(and yes, that is in the QUARTER-MILE)

Gotta be careful with those Bugs..ya never know what's hiding under the decklid.
In fact the whole Cal-Look movement was kinda started that way... clean, lowered, one color paint job, no bumpers for clean asthetics, nothing obtrusive or "blingy", just a clean lil' Bug, with a warp 10 motor in it...

I agree that is impressive but IMO it's still an ugly beetle. I've seen some fast bugs but I have never seen a foxy girl in one. 9 second bugs = 4 rated girls.

Kitz

Originally Posted by John Palmer

Build a VW and then tell him ANYTIME he's ready. No V-8 guy likes loosing to a aircooled VW Bug! There are many "ten second capable" VW"s driven on the street everyday.

Yep, this will work. I've seen the car John's son drives and it's a little sweetheart. Ask John if he'll give you the recipe.

Alternately, I'll contribute a suggestion I posted on here a few years ago for a low-buck street warrior. Lots of labor, but low-buck. Begin with a compact pickup. Chevy Luv, S10, S15, Datsun, Toyota, Dodge D50, Plymouth Arrow, Mitsubishi Max, etc., etc. Bare-bones, no power anything, less motor and trans with clear title.
Find a good-running but wrecked (in the rear or side) Olds Toronado or Cadillac Eldorado ('70-'76). Title or no title, doesn't matter.
Remove the bed and whack the frame off behind the cab, leaving stubs long enough to weld to.

Remove all the sheetmetal from the donor car and whack the frame off behind the crossmember. Now you have a self-contained power unit that can be welded to the truck frame stubs. Leave the core support and radiator in place. Remove the steering box and all steering linkage except the tie rods and all the engine-driven accessories except fan and alternator. Retain the engine-driven fan, fan clutch, radiator and shroud in their original positions. Weld the front frame stubs of the car to the rear frame stubs of the truck, using whatever material you need to adapt the two in order to have the tires positioned properly in the wheelwells of the truck bed.

Remove the tailgate. Cut the truck bed lengthwise into two halves. Mock up the bed halves to cover the tires and maybe a little more if you plan some serious rubber. Using sheet metal or part of another pickup bed, fill in the middle part of the bed that isn't occupied by motor or trans. Use part of another tailgate to widen the original or fab up something based on your ingenuity.

Mount a small fuel cell and battery in the extreme rear of the bed.
Where the bed is wider than the cab at the front of the bed, cut out the sheet metal and fabricate ducting for radiator air. Of course, the radiator will also pull air from the bottom under the cab, but I think having a couple of ducts, one on each side would be just too cool.

Leave provision on the tie rods to nail them down to the frame and retain means of adjustment for toe-in/toe-out at an alignment shop.

Topping it off with a 150 plate shot of nitrous should do the trick. (600 ft./lbs of torque, 3,000 lb. truck). A bone-stock warrior that should provide a good waxing for some unsuspecting wannabees. Stock idle, stock cooling. Exhaust system of your choice, but I'd make it quiet for an even better "gotcha" effect.

This is what im working with i built the frame from 8 gauge cold rolled and .120 DOM.

Building a fast street car.......... I don't know..........

Originally Posted by pro70z28

Building a fast street car.......... I don't know..........

WOW..that's waaaaaay out of my budget but that thing is going to crazy fast. i love it, well done.

your back tires will not hold the big block down them M/t are not good get some et s but do not get in the rain with them yes 11 flat is nothing for a car that is under 2500 but guys allways say that never built any thing that it is not hardbut it not so ez you still need coin and 11 flat to mid to low 9s is alot more of this $$$$ somewere out there is a 548 bbc 14.8 to 1 .740 lift soild roller engine in a tub out 27 or so all glass ford roadster it had a 400 trans rev valve body 9 inch coan stall holley 9377 carb ez 700+hp engine that car was a hand full :whacked there has been some cars around here that run in the 9s drag cars with plates but they dump so much Nos thru them they burn out fast i am in it for the long haul i have cars that will easly run 11 flat to mild 10 on the street on just engine and all steel cars 3500to 4000 pounders No slicks or 4 grove tires pass off as dot street tires yep the cops love them. i have wipe up the road with guys that told me i did not have enough i know i am not fast but they keep coming after me

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

your back tires will not hold the big block down them M/t are not good get some et s but do not get in the rain with them yes 11 flat is nothing for a car that is under 2500 but guys allways say that never built any thing that it is not hardbut it not so ez you still need coin and 11 flat to mid to low 9s is alot more of this $$$$ somewere out there is a 548 bbc 14.8 to 1 .740 lift soild roller engine in a tub out 27 or so all glass ford roadster it had a 400 trans rev valve body 9 inch coan stall holley 9377 carb ez 700+hp engine that car was a hand full :whacked there has been some cars around here that run in the 9s drag cars with plates but they dump so much Nos thru them they burn out fast i am in it for the long haul i have cars that will easly run 11 flat to mild 10 on the street on just engine and all steel cars 3500to 4000 pounders No slicks or 4 grove tires pass off as dot street tires yep the cops love them. i have wipe up the road with guys that told me i did not have enough i know i am not fast but they keep coming after me

Pat the motor i'm using is left over from my old bracket car it ran 11.6 in a 3650 pound car with ladder bars on the same tire, so i think the motor will do the job but i don't know about the rest.

I'd love to ride along next time someone called you out.

Originally Posted by 27tee

Pat the motor i'm using is left over from my old bracket car it ran 11.6 in a 3650 pound car with ladder bars on the same tire, so i think the motor will do the job but i don't know about the rest.

I'd love to ride along next time someone called you out.

sure you can come long. i had never had any good luck with them on the street and you do not have a 3650 pounds with very little weight you need a very sticky tire to make up for not much weight transfer

Any tool time fans? Remember the episode where Tim is challenged by Bob Villa to race their hot rods? Bob wins, but only because Tim for once in his life doesn't push it all the way down to the floor. When he loses Tim's wife says, I'm sorry hunny. Tim says, hey he didn't win because his car is faster, I backed off because this is a new engine and I didn't want to ruin it. It took me years to build this! Bob bought his rod, he has nothing vested in it but money. If he's stupid enough to ruin it let him!

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Haven't seen this thread for awhile.