Thanks dozzer you live across the mountain from where, I live.But when we took the spark plugs out it was no rust so that is a good sine.But we will try turn it over probably tommorow since he put that WD40 in it the other day and if that don,t do it I will try what you said.He,s got a automic transmission bolted up with it so it will probably be a pain to work with it, we will have to unbolt it and shake it until comes a loose. Thanks Again Dave