Thread: rear sump oil pan 460- your opinion?

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I'm looking at the angle of my oil pan and wondering about puting in a rear sump high oil capacity pan. Its for the 429/460 in my 48 ford f1. Right now the engine has a front sump pam that angles toward the back of the truck, since the engine is tilted down in the rear.
I've looked at the fancy pans in Summit, but for 250 -350.00 it seems awfully steep. What are all of your thoughts?

Front sump works fine in everything but a high performance race application. What are you trying to accomplish Steve?

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Front sump works fine in everything but a high performance race application. What are you trying to accomplish Steve?

Don

Don
I was just worried that with the pan tilted backward, that the engine might suck air vs. oil. Its a pretty big pan, so I'd guess it holds enough oil to prevent this, but you never know!

This will never go to the track, just a few burn outs and maybe a heavy pedal to pass those idiots we all run into on the roadways!

From your original post I get the idea your engine isn't level in the car????? I think you would be better off to get the engine levelled off, the carb mounting pad on the intake should be parallel with the ground.... If you have room for a front sump, there are some reasonably priced ones that have a trap door or two to keep the oil at the pickup... Getting the engine level in the car is important too for setting the floats and oil drainback..

Dave, as soon as she's road worthy, I think I'll have the motor mounts rewelded to where the engine sits parallel to the ground if posible.
In the mean time, as I'm going through the engine replacing stuff that's old, heavy, and not practical, what are your thoughts about a high volume oil pump. Stick with stock or go with something more heavy duty? The price isn't much different, and I need to drop the pan to see what crank and bearing are there to figure out if it is a 429 or 460, plus the old gasget leaks, and I will be replacing the distributer, so, I'll probably need to have the pan off when the oil pump shaft decies to drop in it anyway.
I'm happy not to drop a big chunk of cash on a pan!

I just use the stock pump on street stuff. Whenever I run a hi-volume pump it's with an increased capacity oil pan and usually an accumulator...

Steve, I'm still not clear on the engine angle thing. Didn't you set it up to about 3 degrees down when putting it in? Why the need to have it reangled later on is confusing me.

Don

Don
I bought the truck as a hot rod truck in progress. The engine was already in as was the rear gas tank, c6 tranny, etc. So, I've been trying to figure out everything the guy who originally did this did! Unfortunately the Guy I bought it from, bought it from the guy who did all of the modifiacations back 7 years or more ago. Mel the guy I bought it from, doesn't know much about the history or have a way to contact the guy he bought it from.

So I'm sitting and thinking about it as I go. I'm not sure what angle the engine it at. It runs and idles great the way it is. It seems to drive well in drive, however, without the brake joob finished, this usually involves bumping it into gear to get over the garage bump and then quickly shutting it down to avoid going thru the garage!
So these wierd little questions come to mind as I bide my time between the weather fronts, and work, getting to actual work on the truck.
I'm very appreciative of all the advice you guys toss out. I've never done a project on this level where I'm working with modifications and fabrication of motor mounts, floor pans, transaxel swaps, etc.. However it is fun once you dive in, just takes more thought, info, and help from Don, Dave and the other voices of been there done that, don't do that, and are you crazy?

Steve, go to Home Depot and pick up one of the $ 10 angle finders (protractors) You can even set it on the valve cover and it will give you an idea of how steep the angle is. We just had to buy a new one because our old one had been dropped a few times and was off by 2 degrees.

Here is what you are looking for:

Don

Thanks, I have to return some sand there from the blaster experience, so, I'll pick one up while I'm at it.

Got the pitch angle finder today via mail, homedepot no longer carries them. Like I thought its steep. About 8-9 degrees. What next? Is this too steep, or will it work?

Denny
On the carb it is 3 degrees. I don't get it. Why so much difference between the vavle cover and on top of the carb?

Is 3 dgrees at the carb OK? The engine seems to run fine?

These are the best I can do in the garage. Gotta run to work in a few minutes, so it'll have to do for today.