Thread: I have a miss..
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05-19-2011 09:22 AM #16
Well then. Can I put in a can of Seafoam, or injector cleaner with the can of Heet that I already put in??
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05-19-2011 09:25 AM #17
Quote slantback37
I don't run that corn crap Unquote
I really doubt that statement unless you buy it on an indian reservation or a marina. As far as premium - not a lot of cars need premium any longer so I really don't think many distributors can afford to maintain a separate storage/shipping facility or truck. But - for the 15 minutes it takes to disassemble the top cover and look inside an Edelbrock Performer carb to check for crud - well, I guess you don't need my advice as a 20 plus year user of those carbs.
http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmg...s_07_web-1.pdf
Enter page 34 on the above .pdf and you will see your MN state requirements. This is it in brief:
"Ethanol Profile
• Labeling Laws: No label required
• Number of Retail E85 Stations: 307
• Ethanol Incentives
- Retail Pump Incentive for Ethanol-Blended Fuel—(MN Statutes, 296 A.07)
* E85 receives a 5.8 cent per gallon exemption from the state’s 20 cent excise tax on gasoline. E85 tax rate is 14.2 cents
per gallon. No tax exemption for E10.
- Ethanol Production Incentive—(MN Statutes, Section 41 A.09)
* Subject to state funding, a 20 cent per gallon incentive is available to ethanol produced at eligible facilities that began
production on or before June 30, 2000, for up to 10 years. Annual payments are limited to $3 million per plant. In
2003, payments were temporarily discontinued and reduced to 13 cents per gallon. No payments shall be made for
ethanol production that occurs after June 30, 2010.
- Ethanol Use Standard—(MN Statutes 239.791 Oxygenated Gasoline) (SF4)
* Since 1997, virtually every gallon of gasoline must contain fuel grade ethanol at a volume of not less than 10 percent.
Premium gasoline may be sold without ethanol if properly labeled.
* In 2005, the law was amended to require that if ethanol does not comprise at least 20 percent of all motor fuels
consumed in Minnesota by December 31, 2010, gasoline blends must contain fuel grade ethanol at a volume not less
than 20 percent by August 30, 2013. Implementation of this provision also requires the state to petition the U.S. EPA
certifying that E20 is compatible with and will not cause increased emissions from gasoline engines."Dave W
I am now gone from this forum for now - finally have pulled the plug
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05-19-2011 09:29 AM #18
That's what I would do, but you need to be able to bring the engine up to operating temperature to allow the cleaner to do it's job. The best way, of course, would be to take the carb apart and clean it and change the fuel filter.Ken Thomas
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05-19-2011 10:09 AM #19
I am afraid that if I took the top off I would loose something. I am hoping by adding something like Seafoam it mightclean it out. If not. The I will have to take the top off.
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05-19-2011 01:54 PM #20
Not sure if you know it but Duluth has several gas stations that sell non-oxy fuel. To get a list look at the Minnesota Street Rod Association website and follow the "Features" pull down. (or just click on this link)http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyMay2011.pdf
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05-19-2011 02:08 PM #21
Yes i know. I am a member of MSRA. Been buying my gas at Holiday for years..
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05-19-2011 02:19 PM #22
So IC2. You have 20 years of the Edelbrock carb. I bought mine last year. That is about all I know about it as far as taking it apart.. I know nothing. I don't want to take the top off, and a bunch of springs fly out, and there are gaskets to replace..
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05-19-2011 02:42 PM #23
The things to worry about if you take the top off an Edlebrock/Carter is the metering rods and the accelerator pump and don't bump the floats as they are a pain in the arse to set properly. The top gasket can be reused unless it's torn. The first Carter/Edlebrock 4 barrel I fooled with was sometime in the mid 60's when the Carter designation was A,B,C,D, and E series if my memory serves me correctly. IMHO, they were a pain then as now.Ken Thomas
NoT FaDe AwaY and the music didn't die
The simplest road is usually the last one sought
Wild Willie & AA/FA's The greatest show in drag racing
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05-19-2011 02:44 PM #24
So it looks like you really don't run that corn crap in it
Pulling the top off of that carb should not be any big deal at all. Do you have the manual for it showing the exploded view? If not you can get one from Edelbrock, either by calling them or e-mailing their Tech guys. I have found the Edelbrock Tech's to be some of the best I've dealt with. They can walk you through it, and tell you what to expect, unless you can get Dave to do it I would not think you would need to replace the gasket on a carb new last summer with minimal hours on it.Roger
Enjoy the little things in life, and you may look back one day and realize that they were really the BIG things.
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05-19-2011 07:20 PM #25
Well I think I will try the Seafoam first.. If that doesn't help then I will pull off the top. I will also change out the fuel filter. I have a new clear one to put on..
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05-20-2011 05:29 AM #26
About the only other thing you have to worry about is the little clips on the outside of the carb. Once you pop the top of the carb off, you'll be saying that was to easy. Should not be any springs or bearings to worry about in that carb.
I would think there was something else making it miss. Did you check in the dark for sparks like that one guy mentioned?
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05-20-2011 10:30 AM #27
I am going to do all of hat first before I pull the top off. If it comes to that. When I have the top off. Then what??
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05-20-2011 10:49 AM #28
Slantback,
Like has been said earlier, you'll be looking for crud in the float bowl that may be plugging up your jets. If you find contamination you'll likely need to pull the carb and blow out the passages or at least dump the bowls.
The more I think about it this does not sound like a carb problem to me. Nine times out of ten a "miss" is going to be electrical or timing, including popping back through the carb. Have you checked your distributor cap for crossfire tracking? Any moisture in the cap? Arcs & sparks from plug wires? It really sounds to me like you're getting some sort of crossfire, maybe intermittent? Is it a steady miss? Could you have a bad plug like Gusaroo had in another thread?
If it were mine I would first start it in the dark and look for sparks, then pull and inspect the distributor cap, then buy a set of good quality plugs if it's still there. Just my opinionRoger
Enjoy the little things in life, and you may look back one day and realize that they were really the BIG things.
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05-20-2011 12:15 PM #29
Thanks. I'll check that first. Tonight..
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05-20-2011 12:53 PM #30
Are those NKG spark plugs good?? If I have to replace them. I want a good plug..
Thank you Roger. .
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