Welcome to Club Hot Rod!  The premier site for everything to do with Hot Rod, Customs, Low Riders, Rat Rods, and more. 

  •  » Members from all over the US and the world!
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

 

Thread: FE Engine Identification
          
   
   

Reply To Thread
Results 1 to 6 of 6
  1. #1
    knace is offline Registered User Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Sellersville
    Posts
    2

    FE Engine Identification

     



    Could anyone please tell me what exactly this engine is? The stamping on the block is difficult to make out but it looks like it is stamped C4AE-6015-A. The stamping on the heads are C4AE-60900. I was told it was a 390 Police Interceptor Engine, but I would like to confirm. Thanks.
    Kevin

  2. #2
    viking's Avatar
    viking is offline CHR Member Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Branson area
    Car Year, Make, Model: 23 T, 53 FLH , 66 C-10 454, 03 CVPI
    Posts
    968

    Reading Casting NumbersReading Casting Numbers
    Casting numbers tell when a part was ORIGINALLY designed and what car it was
    ORIGINALLY designed for. This does not mean that the part was not used on other
    cars. For example, casting number C8OE-9430-D is an exhaust manifold for a 428
    CJ Fairlane; however, it was also used on 428 CJ Mustangs.
    Example:
    The breakdown of casting number C8OE-9430-D is easy using the charts below:
    C = Decade of 1960
    8 = Year of the decade (8th year of 1960), 1968
    O = Fairlane Car line / Manufacture code
    E = Engine engineering department
    9430 = Basic number for an exhaust manifold
    N = Design change
    Casting Number Breakdown Charts
    Decade of Manufacture:
    A = 1940
    B = 1950
    C = 1960
    D = 1970
    E = 1980
    Year of Decade
    The year of the decade is determined by adding a number (0-9) to the letter of
    the decade. Example: C6 would be 1966, D0 would be 1970, D1 would be 1971.
    Car Line/ Manufacture Codes
    A = Galaxie
    D = Falcon (60-69)
    F = Outside USA, Trans Am racing
    G = Comet / Montego
    J = Industrial
    M = Mercury
    O = Fairlane / Torino
    P = Autolite / Motorcraft
    R = Rotunda
    S = Thunderbird
    T = Truck
    V = Lincoln (61 - current)
    Z = Mustang
    Engineering Departments
    A = Chassis
    B = Body
    E = Engine
    F = Engine accessories
    J = Autolite (67-72)
    P = Automatic transmission
    R = Manual transmission
    W = Axle
    X = Muscle parts program
    Y = Lincoln / Mercury service parts
    Z = Ford service parts
    Basic Number
    These identify the part, such as 6090 being a cylinder head or 9430 being an
    exhaust manifold.
    Design Change
    A Basic part is made to fit many applications. Example:
    DOZZ-7528-C is a clutch bar for a 390/428
    DOZZ-7528-D is a clutch bar for a 351 W
    DOZZ-7529-E is a clutch bar for a 302 Boss
    Reading Casting Dates
    Casting dates:
    Casting dates show the exact day, month and year a certain part was made or
    cast. The typical casting date looks like "6M08".
    Breaking down a casting date:
    6 = The year of the decade. "6" for 1976.
    M = The letter of the month. (December)
    08 = The day of the month. (8th)
    First year month codes:
    ABCDEFGHIJKLM
    JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugN/ASepOctNovDec

    Second year month codes:
    NOPQRSTUVWXYZ
    JanN/AFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec

    How do casting numbers appear?
    Most casting numbers are stamped into the part itself, other have the number
    molded on the part. Some casting numbers can be ink stamped while others are
    printed on paper, which is then wraped around the part.
    FE Casting Numbers
    Blocks (C1AE8015C)
    390 cid
    C1AE-CC1AE-GC1AE-VC2AE-BC
    C2AE-BEC2AE-BRC2AE-BSC2SE
    C3SE-AC3AE-KYC3ME-BC3AE-AY
    C4AE-DC4AE-FC5AE-AC5AE-B
    C6MEC6ME-AC8AE-AC8AE-C
    C8AE-ED3TE-1D3TE-ACD3TE-HA
    D4TE-ACD7TE-BA

    406 cid
    C2AE-JC2AE-KC2AE-VC2AE-BD
    C3AE-DC3AE-V

    427 cid
    C3AE-MC3AE-ABC3AE-ZC4AE
    C4AE-AC5AE-AC5AE-EC5AE-D
    C5AE-HC6AE-BC5JE-DC6JE-B
    C6AE-CC6AE-DC7AE-AC7JE-A
    C8AE-AC8AE-BC8AE-H

    428 cid
    C6AE-AC6AE-BC6AE-FC6ME
    C6ME-AC7MEC7ME-AC8ME

    Crankshafts
    390 cid [3.78" stroke]
    2UC3AE-DC4TE-6303-B
    3UC3AE-EC4TZ-A
    C1AEC3AE-UC4TZ-B
    C1AE-AC3AZC6AE-A
    C2AE-BC4AE-BC6TE-6303-C
    C2AE-DC4AE-CC6TE-6303-E
    C3AEC4AE-DD2TE-6303EA
    C3AE-6303-EC4AE-A
    C3AE-BC4AZ-A
    C3AE-CC4AZ-J

    406 cid [3.78" stroke]
    2UC3AE-BC4AE-C
    3UC3AE-CC4AE-D
    C1AEC3AE-DC4AE-A
    C1AE-AC3AE-EC4AZ-A
    C2AE-BC3AE-UC4AZ-J
    C2AE-DC3AZC4AZ-J
    C3AEC4AE-BC4TZ-A
    C3AE-6303-E C4TZ-B

    410 cid [3.98" stroke]
    1VAC8ME-AC9ZE-CIU
    C6MEC9ZE-BC9ZE-DIUB

    427 cid [3.78" stroke]
    2UC3AE-BC4AE-C
    3UC3AE-CC4AE-D
    C1AEC3AE-DC4AE-A
    C1AE-AC3AE-EC4AZ-A
    C2AE-BC3AE-UC4AZ-J
    C2AE-DC3AZC4AZ-J
    C3AEC4AE-BC4TZ-A
    C3AE-6303-E C4TZ-B

    428 cid [3.98" stroke]
    1VAC8ME-AC9ZE-CIUC2VE
    C6MEC9ZE-BC9ZE-DIUBC6ME
    Objects in the mirror are losing

  3. #3
    FFR428's Avatar
    FFR428 is offline CHR Member Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    fairfield
    Car Year, Make, Model: 68 Cougar S code, 427 Tunnelport.
    Posts
    942

    Well the C4AE-A block is either a 64 352 with a 4.00 bore or a 64 427 with a 4.23 bore. I'm guessing the heads are C4AG-6090-G but check the last digit to be sure it's a "G" since there is no "O" in the FE head castings. These are 64 352/390 heads. I'd have to guess it's 64 352 and not a 390PI eongine as you were told. The 352 uses the shorter stroke 3.50 crank and the longer FE rods compared to the 3.78 390 stroke and short rods. It's very possible the 352 block has been bored to the 4.05 std bore with 390 internals and being passed off as a 390PI. Check the numbers on the crank and rods using the chart Viking posted. G.

  4. #4
    knace is offline Registered User Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Sellersville
    Posts
    2

    I did the method of measuring down the spark plug hole several times and each time i got 3.75. Upon further inspection, it does appear that the last digit is a G for the heads. The engine cast number might be C4AE-601B-A instead of C4AE-6015-A. The casting is just too rough to distinguish. Is there any method of checking the bore w/out pulling the heads or the oil pan? It doesn't appear that this engine was ever apart, but it is 40 years old.

  5. #5
    FFR428's Avatar
    FFR428 is offline CHR Member Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    fairfield
    Car Year, Make, Model: 68 Cougar S code, 427 Tunnelport.
    Posts
    942

    After digging a little deeper the C4AE-A could also be a 330HD,391FT or a 361FT also besides the 352. The 6015 is correct and just the internal Ford number for a engine block. Now the 330HD has a 3.875 bore and the 361 and 391 a 4.05. Both 330HD and 361 share the 352's 3.50 stroke. The 391 a 3.79 stroke. Also the 361 and 391 used a forged steel crank and some 330HD used iron cranks and some forged steel. Also the 391FT crank had a larger diameter snout than the std FE crank and used a iron timing cover vs the aluminum FE cover Whatever it is it's not a 390 PI as your being told but sounds like it might have 390 internals. The 330HD,391 and 361 for 64 would have reinforced crank webbing and the crossbolt nubs but no crossbolts. The 352 block would have the std crank webbing and maybe crossbolt nubs. There is really no other way to check the bore without taking a head off. I'd also take the oilpan off and get the casting numbers off the crank and rods. Ford is famous for using the same casting number on a varity of blocks as you can clearly see. As you stated the engine is 40 years old and a lot can happen between then and now. I'd have to say should you want to venture forward on this you should really look inside to see what's what. It can all be ID'd by the part numbers easily. If the seller does not agree to this he obviously has something to hide but most guys should be fine with it. He might even be interested in finding out what it really is himself. Confusing????? you bet but it can all be sorted easily. G.
    Last edited by FFR428; 01-17-2005 at 04:01 PM.

  6. #6
    kingsmt is offline Registered User Visit my Photo Gallery
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Allison Park
    Posts
    2

    FE ID

     



    From what George at Gessford machine told me the block casting indicates C4AE- 6015-A Would be a 427 Possibly, The Heads C4AE-6090 Most Likely High Riser. Look for date code hand stamped on smooth flat area above oil filter almost at the deck & head surface.

Reply To Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Links monetized by VigLink