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Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Roger,

If you use Explorer brakes on a large bearing 9", the spacers are absolutely necessary - unless you're using a set-up I haven't seen. They make up the difference between the outer bearing race and the retaining flange. Disc brakes fit on the axle differently from the drums. Without the spacers, the axles can move in and out about 1/4".

Currie stocks them, and so does Johns. The bad news is that they need to be installed between the bearing and the axle flange. I had to have my bearings pulled, then reinstalled. Of course, I had to do that anyhow. I had to replace my bearings with special units with an o-ring in the outer race to take the place of the stock axle seals. Whoever narrowed my axle hosed it up, and the seals wouldn't stay seated.

The spacers are a bear to keep in place while you bolt in the axles. I used a couple of dabs of silicone and essentially glued them to the outside edge of the bearing race.




Linky is here.

Of course, Kyle forgot them on mine . . .

I still haven't finished the interior of my '34. I kept intending to send it to a shop, but I couldn't quit driving it. Further, it won't get finished for a while. I'm heading to Naples, Italy for a three-year tour (civilian) with Navy Facilities Engineering Command (NAVFAC), and the car will be in storage all that time. Downside is no hotrodding. Upside is a chance to have all my living expenses paid for three years, and a chance to see a bunch of Europe.

Thanks for the heads up. I will look into a set of rings before going much farther. 406Rich, thanks for an alternate approach, too. I will do some research, but I doubt they are in place - my rear came from John's set for drums, and N&N sourced the disc package separately. It would have been too easy to overlook the spacers.
Jack, the tour in Italy should be a great time. Like you said, most expenses covered and you'll have opportunities to see parts of the world that are so rich in history. Stay in touch if it works out for you, and come to KC for a ride when you get back on this side of the pond.

Originally Posted by rspears

Thanks for the heads up. I will look into a set of rings before going much farther. 406Rich, thanks for an alternate approach, too. I will do some research, but I doubt they are in place - my rear came from John's set for drums, and N&N sourced the disc package separately. It would have been too easy to overlook the spacers.
Jack, the tour in Italy should be a great time. Like you said, most expenses covered and you'll have opportunities to see parts of the world that are so rich in history. Stay in touch if it works out for you, and come to KC for a ride when you get back on this side of the pond.

Roger,

You can do the washer trick with the spacers also - cut out a section to allow slipping them over the axle. I did that before I found out about the seal problem. At that point, I had to replace the bearings, so I had the shop drop them on before pressing on the new bearings.

When I'm done with my three years in Italy, I'm hanging up the slide rule and moving to Texas. I may stop in KC, though, since my youngest son and his family live there.

Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

I still haven't finished the interior of my '34. I kept intending to send it to a shop, but I couldn't quit driving it. Further, it won't get finished for a while. I'm heading to Naples, Italy for a three-year tour (civilian) with Navy Facilities Engineering Command (NAVFAC), and the car will be in storage all that time. Downside is no hotrodding. Upside is a chance to have all my living expenses paid for three years, and a chance to see a bunch of Europe.

Wow, what an opportunity!!!! Let me know if you need an assistant to sign up for that tour!!!!! I spent 90 days bummin' around Europe way back in '72 and had an absolute blast!! Sure would be fun to do it again and see how much things have changed. I have a lot of great memories from the trip--and some that are still a bit fuzzy!!!!!

Hey Roger, what heads did Mr. Sehr put on your engine??? You probably said, but I think I left my memory out at the other shop yesterday....

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Hey Roger, what heads did Mr. Sehr put on your engine??? You probably said, but I think I left my memory out at the other shop yesterday....

They are what he calls the "Aussie Alumimum Head Upgrade w/bowl porting", 2.05" intakes, 1.60" exhausts. I called Sehr and they are a ProComp Renegade bare head that he mills and then builds up to his specs. That's all I can tell you, other than Scotty has had good experience with them.

Originally Posted by rspears

They are what he calls the "Aussie Alumimum Head Upgrade w/bowl porting", 2.05" intakes, 1.60" exhausts. I called Sehr and they are a ProComp Renegade bare head that he mills and then builds up to his specs. That's all I can tell you, other than Scotty has had good experience with them.

Thanks Rog.... just starting to do a bit of planning...Should go talk to Scott one of these days... This dang cold weather I just hate going anywhere other then the shop, the garage, the house!!!!!

There has been lots of interest in EFI recently. I'm using a Tanks, Inc #U9-A trunk mounted tank, and all that is needed to convert it for EFI service is a return port. The easy way to do that is to either 1) weld a NPT bung on the blankoff plate for the filler port not used, either top or end, or 2) (my way) drill a nominal 9/16" hole in the blankoff and install a bulkhead AN to barbed hose fitting, with a short piece of hose inside the tank to direct flow down into the tank volume. I'm using the top port for a straight neck, billet cap filler port, leaving the end port for the return line. I can zip tie the internal return hose to the internal supply tube, then install the blankoff plate with gasket. Tanks, Inc says that the solution to EFI is their internal tank mounted pump assembly, with the supply, return, and vent on one bolt on connection, but all you need is a return port to make the universal tank work. For me, I like an external, frame mounted pump for future troubleshooting/maintenance access. Here is the #U9-A tank I'm using. One thing to know, the slanted filler is only available for external connection, no cap. The billet cap only comes on the straight neck filler. My tank tilts back about 12 degrees to hook to the internal steel bracing, so a straight neck will be OK.

Tonight I got the accessory drive package from Rocky Hinge installed for an initial fit to check clearances and general fit. My SFI balancer came with an adapter set to support three different drive pulley positions, but I was missing a 2 3/8" external retainer ring that was a bit tough to find. Grainger's came through but it came in a five pack - anyone need a 2 3/8" snap ring I have four spares!! Rocky's brackets went on smooth and the fit seems to be good. The AC compressor clears the head by about 1/8", but then that is what it takes with a small block Ford for front clearance. I'm not sure how these pictures will show up - they are not bad in full resolution, but in smaller size may be dark and hard to see detail. I did not put the belts on yet, as it all has to come apart to paint the water pump and install everything with gaskets, lock tite and silicone on the bolts.
The good thing is that I have a little more than 1/2" clearance between the water pump pulley and the STAL puller fan motor. I was hoping for 1/4", and have more than twice that. From my research Rocky Hinge has the shortest package on the market for small block Ford drives. Most others make their own custom timing cover, and still end up more than an inch longer. Rocky's is a twin v-belt drive, not serpentine.

Really looks great Roger!!!! I still like the belts, especially on a classy looking setup like the front of your engine. Did my pick-em-up with serpentine, but mainly cuz it was stuff I already had laying around left over from other projects.... The whole car is really taking shape and lookin' good!!! Hope to get a chance to come for a visit this summer if you don't mind giving free rides to old hippies, that is!!!!

Looks very nice. It just hurts shelling the dough for those pristine pulleys! But boy howdy, they do look great.

Originally Posted by stovens

Looks very nice. It just hurts shelling the dough for those pristine pulleys! But boy howdy, they do look great.

Steve, I agree, but I paid $1350 for the whole setup - shorty Ford water pump, AC compressor and alternator. Those three pieces alone are $650 to $700 and I still had no pulleys, brackets or bolts. Other guys (March, Vintage Air) make their own front covers from billet, putting their costs about $1000 more for SBF kits, and they are one to two inches longer than Rocky's. The main driver for me was getting all of the pieces to have belt alignment without chasing parts and pieces for weeks, and trying to cabbage together brackets from OEM parts.

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Hope to get a chance to come for a visit this summer if you don't mind giving free rides to old hippies, that is!!!!

Dave, you'd be welcome any time - just give me a heads up when you're coming. I also told the guys at Sehr that a road trip to Sioux Falls was possible for a good shakedown once the beast is together - I won't say "when it's done" because it will probably never to "done done".

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Really looks great Roger!!!! I still like the belts, especially on a classy looking setup like the front of your engine. Did my pick-em-up with serpentine, but mainly cuz it was stuff I already had laying around left over from other projects.... The whole car is really taking shape and lookin' good!!! Hope to get a chance to come for a visit this summer if you don't mind giving free rides to old hippies, that is!!!!

Heck Dave you can come to Northern Ca. for a visit and free ride, Just be prepared to force the shifter into neutral or be Fred Flintstone with the feet thru the floor for brakes!

Yeah, we were talking the other day about maybe getting down to the big track either for a NASCAR event, or maybe to the drags.... Have to see how things go. Still so dang cold and nasty around here I just don't feel like going anywhere!!!

Wow looks great, them pullies set off the motor too.
I'm scared to ask what you were using for bate to get that thing to follow you home.
I can't get a stray cat to follow me home with ten cans of open tuna!!!
Kurt