Thread: barret jackson syndrome getting out of hand?

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youve got to be kidding me, right?????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-...em170162760540

thats just insane! and you know some moron will buy it..

I just talked with a dealer who paid $16,000 for a '57 fuel injection unit for an original "fuelie" convertible.

If you have a car worth 100K+, but without the right parts it's worth $50K....what would you do??? It makes sense....but if you don't play at that level, it seems insane

yeah a BIG moron, for what 2 k ? you can have a tko tremec 6 speed that will handle 1000+ ft/lbs

Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT

I just talked with a dealer who paid $16,000 for a '57 fuel injection unit for an original "fuelie" convertible.

If you have a car worth 100K+, but without the right parts it's worth $50K....what would you do??? It makes sense....but if you don't play at that level, it seems insane

i do agree with you on that , i have never owned or built a number matching car before and i dont think i ever will for the simple fact i dont have that kind of discipline i cant just leave things alone , i have and im sure a lot of us have been to a show or just about anywhere and had someone kinda give me the brushoff for not having a number matching ride and on more than one occasion i felt like givin them a smack for looking down their nose at me for it but i have to date restrained myself with the fact of different strokes for different folks i have spent a hundred large on a car before (just dont tell the wife) and when i did it wouldnt be to just sit there and look at , to rich for my blood and 12 grand i could more than likley build another car not perfect and maybe not pretty but pretty fast.. im rambling now im gonna shut up

stuff like that, is what makes hot rodding un-affordable for alot of us youngin's

That is a high price but there is some one that will pay it, for us youngins i am sure there is one of those laying around in a barn in the dirt that you could pick up for $20, it's just a matter of finding it, And as for the prices of the old cars, they will just keep going up as they are getting harder and harder to find every day, and barret jackson is definately not helping them any, i guess it's only helping you if you are looking to sell your car, Anybody see the new issue of i believe it was super chevy with the red/purple convertible 68' camaro? I read that barret jackson claimed that the car would be estimated at a $1,000,000 selling price, it is a 1 of 2 car and it is the only one left as the other car has been found to be destroyed, but if i had a million dollars to spend on a car first it would have a 1000 ci + all aluminum injected and blown engine with 3-4000 hp and the best of the best of everything and still have $800,000 left to buy a couple of ferrari's or a lambo and a helicopter, maybe a yaught? a small island? Some of those cars go for 2 or 3 million dollars and then go straight to the garage, what's the point? If i own a car that b--ch is gettin driven, 2 each there own i guess

not long ago i seen a post on a grand national on either this site or C&E cant remember which one but the car was listed on Ebay for some outragoius amount of cash , the car had never been started and never drivin , basicly just garage art for someone or just looking for a big pay day i kinda felt sorry for the car but thats what some folks do , buy um and store um
its their money they can spend it like they want to..

I don't think the big auctions have much of an effect on car prices....unless you are one of the one's after that extremely rare piece....As for some collector needing this tranny to make his Vette concours correct, that would only matter to those who are building concours correct old Vettes.... Parts and project cars are still cheap and plentiful. If I was in need of a manual trans no reason I would consider that old dawg, too many good 4, 5, and 6 speeds available brand new or low mileage used for under $2,000.00.... If some fool thinks this makes his ordinary run of the mill 4 speed worth that much, he's going to be keeping it for a long, long time!!!!! The people who need and want the ultra rare collector stuff are such a minority of the business I don't see where they have much effect at all on the overall market...... Heck, if it's a '67 - '69 Camaro or a '67 Mustang fastback you want to build, you can buy a brand new shell and all the parts to put it together!!!! If you want a rare car you're going to have to compete with the collectors. If, as most claim, their car is NOT going to be a trailer queen and they're going to run the snot out of it then there's bunches of good candidates out there.... If you want the ultra rare stuff, then you've got to be willing to work hard and make good money for a lot of years as have the majority of the collector's out there......

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

stuff like that, is what makes hot rodding un-affordable for alot of us youngin's

I don't agree that the auctions are the problem with affordability. I can remember when things cost 1/10th what they do now......and when wages were 1/10th what they are now! Things will continue to go up. They always have.

Also, as far as hobbies go, this is not a cheap one. The secret is do as much as possible yourself. Labor is a major portion of the cost. Used or remanufactured parts will make a big difference, and don't feel you need the latest "trick-of-the-week parts.

On the other hand, for the last decade the cost of new Harleys have rivaled the cost of a car! It's 2 wheels, and two pistons!....Where is the value???? ....and thousands, or even millions of people bought them like candy!

At the Phoenix auctions, there was a '70 Chevelle LS6 ragtop that went for $1,125,000. It was because it was a famous race car with major documented history. That does not mean that the 307 Malibu ragtop, in the neighbor's back yard is worth that kind of money. That aution Chevelle was a one-of-a-kind car, and the value was was in the history, not the nuts and bolts. Also the people who can, or will pay that much are very limited....and NOT stupid.....so "Granny" will have to take what she can get for hers. ("Supply & demand.") The buyer can then search out the SS parts, and screw together a clone for waaaaaay waaaaaaay less than the auctioned Chevelle!

I think many people simply cannot afford to play in the car hobby, the way they want to. I am one of those "predatory interests" who could be viewed as part of the problem, since I get anal about the paintwork I offer, and yet I don't live nearly as well as most of my customers. I would offer that I never forced anyone to hire me, and that I started out as a do-it-yourselfer, before my own friends started buying me equipment, and hiring me.

I'll shut up now, but I will repeat that the choices you make, and the things you learn to do yourself, will lower the cost substantially.

The funny thing is that in '62 I bought one of these original 4 spd for about $150 and a complete number matching 57 chev 283 hp FI car for $300 that had been wrecked. We swapped parts with my good 57 car, did a 3 angle valve job and I spun the dist on my Sun machine and got it work to 6800 rpm, and we had a legal stock racer that was a killer in it's day.

I sold the FI for $150 and the 4 spd went with the car and a used 4 barrel carb 283 for $500. and that was it.

I don't know if just sticking that $150 in the bank and letting is set for all these years would bring equality or not. I really don't languish much about some of the rare stuff today that we used and just trashed back then.

You can't imagin how much 392 hemi stuff we and all the other local racers (Dave included) tossed back then. I suppose you could say we contributed to inflation. haha The lucky guys that find this stuff today should thank us and buy us a steak dinner. haha

I would agree that we went through a lot of "used car parts". That's all they were then....but a few decades do make a difference!

Today we would probably do the same thing.....especially if someone told us "You can get $500 for it now, or wait 50 years and get $50,000. I'd tell 'em to "Gimme the $500!" :-)~

Hey, I have that exact same transmission in the 57 Chevy 2/dr hardtop I bought for $12,500. Does that mean I got a free Bel Air with my transmission? Pretty good bargain I'd say!!!

Originally Posted by drofdar

Hey, I have that exact same transmission in the 57 Chevy 2/dr hardtop I bought for $12,500. Does that mean I got a free Bel Air with my transmission? Pretty good bargain I'd say!!!

I am not real familiar with the differences, but I am curious.

I've owned a '57 Bel Air 2 door hardtop, and about 15 '62 or older "bubbletop" Vettes, of which 3 were '57s, but I've never had an original 1957 4-speed car.

Was there a trans mount on the passenger T-10 trans?....were both iron cased?....were the ratios the same?....and did they have different number stampings?

you betcha