Thread: 2nd Amendment Affirmed

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my hubby has the guns. i have the dogs and a golf club. I can shoot but I could never bring a gun down on a human being. unless they are threatening harm to my children. We have 2 medium size dogs. If whoever comes in my house or my backyard that is fenced and can get by them both good luck. by that time my hubby can handle it from there.

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

So how would things have been different if the homeowner had a gun??? A big shootout---probably the same outcome..... Maybe. But just maybe, the family could have been protected. I prefer a chance to no chance.

So this incident means everyone should carry a concealed weapon, and have a loaded weapon in bed with them??? No, but I've noticed that since a large proportion of the states have concealed carry laws, the "Wild West" has not erupted - as predicted by some.

If the entire country gets that bad---I'm leaving.....

Not arguing - just another point of view.

Just to let you know in advance this is not in any order just what comes to my mine as I’m going.

Dave, these are hypothetical discussions, you are trying to make it sound like we with permits are hired guns looking for the next situation.

I just said the other day when a guy said just about word, for word the same thing you have just said.

I would rather have the right then not! One day more likely then not they will take the guns away.

I said I had to shoot a woodchuck that was sick by my door; I said I hated to do that, in 13 years living in the country that’s what I’ve had to shoot. In my soon to be if I last until Oct.62 years old I have not shot anything too kill.

Not to long ago I recall you telling a member he was just looking for an argument, if you don’t want to have a permit that’s your business but don’t condemn the people that are using their right to bear arms. By the way just because I have a permit doesn’t mean I strap it on like a wristwatch.

Think back to 911 and remember what a few people did to save a lot more people.

You said you would stay away from area’s that were not safe or something close to that. If you happened to find you’re self-traveling, and had to get off the expressway in Gary, Indiana you would be thinking different. My old neighborhood looks like a war zone. You said you were in Vietnam I believe, my brother was there also, and I stayed State side you go were you are told. I’m glad I didn’t have to go I would not want to have to kill even the enemy but if they put me on orders I would have gone like my brother. He was screwed up when he got home but never talked about it, so I don’t know and now that he’s gone I never will.

If a person came to my door needing something I would give what I could, I just don’t like thieves.

Then you say how many guns you have, if you’re a hunter you could probably shoot a deer in the head but I couldn’t, and wouldn’t. This started out pretty simple but it is getting to deep. No body is naming names but it seems like it is directed to me like the other guy’s post. The discussion can carry on I’ll keep my opinions too my self on this matter.

Richard

As varied and sometimes flawed as the reasons to own a gun are, I'm still glad we can have them. Although I seem to see the "well organized militia" part of the 2nd kind of overlooked.
Also a quote from a friend on another board;

Guns are a funny subject, as are the reasons for wanting to carry one. Like instant empowerment, even though anything around you can be used as a weapon. I'm pretty darn sure I could kill a fair number of people with this jar of peanuts I'm munching on. Only draw back is I might not want to eat the bloody nuts afterwards.

The bad people and stupid people have guns , so I got mine... Its better to go somewhere and not need it then it is to go and need it. I think Clint Eastwood said that,LOL.

After following this thread, this is a touchy subject, as can be expected. For me, I hope I never have to use my guns on a person and I'm not what I would concider a paranoid individual with a vendetta. But without a doubt, if my family or myself (I feel it is my responsibilty to protect myself for my family....thats why I got rid of the racebikes) is cornered in a situation that may dictate personal harm...I wont hesitate to eliminate the threat. And I'm sure I can live with it if its to protect my kids. The problem is...like Dave mentioned....too many people pull guns to ward off threats with no intention of using it.....as a sort of empowerment or personal rage. I've seen road rage that nearly turned bad because the fellow waved a hand gun. If he's that paranoid, he needs to live in an area where he doesnt feel threatened....or just dont drive. He got to spend some time in jail over that ordeal. He felt like he owned the road. Lucky for the guy he attacked.....he had multiple witnesses as well as myself. Flip side.....I did something similar on a visit to down town Little Rock years ago....but not in rage. I got into an area where I didnt belong....got cornered...and literally was surrounded. I felt I had no choice and was prepared to use it. My experience has kept me closer to home and away from situations like this ever since. Sorry to disappoint anyone. But I plan to protect myself and anyone I feel needs help. Too many times the police arent close by.

some folks need to come to terms with the fact the police cannot protect us at any given minute in our lives , growing up in new orleans the respounce time to my house was roughly 10 to 15 minutes depending on the size of the gang war going on in my yard! , here in the woods its about 30 minutes to an hour , now i dont know about yall but a hell of a lot of stuff can happen in that time frame , im not about to chance it when it comes to my family..

I carry a fire extinguisher in my cars and I've only needed it once for a person I didn't even know. His car was on fire and I pulled over and put it out for him. He thanked me.

I'd rather carry a gun my whole life and never need it, rather than to need it once and didn't have it.

Here in the Golden State, if you use a weapon to protect your things (what ever that may be) you are going to jail, period. The law is very clear on this. For instance if you are being car jacked and your life isn't in danger (you don't see a gun, baseball bat or knife) but you see his hand in his pocket and there is a large bulge in his pants (he might just be happy to see you ) you can't pull your gun to deter him from stealing your car, or shoot him. Again, you have to fear for your life. These are the most important words in your defense to use a weapon.
If you think that you can convince 12 jurors that some guy needed to be shot because he wanted your watch and car think again, remember, the prosecution has a say who is on the jury too, Just look at how police have to justify themselves when they break down a door in a crack house and some guy has a toy 9 mm and the cop kills him. The public is outraged for excessive force. My son is a detective in drug enforcement, you would not believe what they have to go threw. The other side of the coin, in my opinion, all police shootings are not justified either, they abuse there power. So, the moral of the story, protect yourself at all times, you never know when a bear will jump out at you in the woods, or a bad guy wants your stuff so bad he is willing to kill you for it. My humble opinion
Ken

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I wouldn't even live in an area where I had to carry a gun everywhere I went!!!! No job or lifestyle is that good! So you carry a gun, are you ready to shoot somebody, to kill them??? What if he wasn't trying to car jack you and was trying to get you to call 911 for some other emergency? What if you thought the bad guy was pulling out a gun, you shot him, and he was really reaching for his cell phone??? Too many "what if's" for me!!! Why not just stay out of areas or situations that could possibly require you to kill somebody??? If you're planning on just pulling your gun out to scare the bad guys away, you're as good as dead. The bad guys just shoot with no second thought...

Some talk about carrying a gun as if they really want to shoot somebody!!! What a sick thought---"Go ahead, make my day" was a good movie line for Clint, but hardly the way to resolve any kind of situation....

Have you ever killed anyone, face to face, point blank???? Do you have any idea what a burden that is to bear the rest of your life????

At least take the time to consider the possible consequences of carrying a gun... I think I'll just choose to avoid a situation that requires me carrying a gun....Killing isn't all it's cracked up to be.......justified or not...

You can go to the safest town, city, state or planet but you will never be sure without a doubt that a criminal wont be there. I don't know what the murder rate is in South Dakota, but I do know there is one.

The rules in Ohio aren't perfect, but the basis of the rule is so you don't come in on a situation that you are not involved in and don't know what's going on and you shoot the wrong person. If i'm in a friends car and we get jacked by an armed thug I am in fear of MY life at that point and can take measures to protect myself if my friend is also protected that's just a bonus.

The Castle Doctrine was a huge step forward for us, the old law was if someone was breaking in the front you had to run out the back, only if you were cornered could you defend yourself. They are working on keeping the law abideing citizen from becoming a criminal because they defended themselves.

It all comes down to this if you don't want to carry dont. If I want to carry it is my legal right.

Ron

Ron B- Great avatar.
Ken

Thank's, I've had my ears done since that picture was taken.

Ron

I didn't want to say anything, but I think that was money well spent
Ken

Originally Posted by Ron B.

You can go to the safest town, city, state or planet but you will never be sure without a doubt that a criminal wont be there. I don't know what the murder rate is in South Dakota, but I do know there is one.

The rules in Ohio aren't perfect, but the basis of the rule is so you don't come in on a situation that you are not involved in and don't know what's going on and you shoot the wrong person. If i'm in a friends car and we get jacked by an armed thug I am in fear of MY life at that point and can take measures to protect myself if my friend is also protected that's just a bonus.

The Castle Doctrine was a huge step forward for us, the old law was if someone was breaking in the front you had to run out the back, only if you were cornered could you defend yourself. They are working on keeping the law abideing citizen from becoming a criminal because they defended themselves.

It all comes down to this if you don't want to carry dont. If I want to carry it is my legal right.

Ron

I am pretty sure it is a privelage, one I surely appreciate. But I am with Dave. Yes S.D. has a murder rate but it isn't hard to avoid that element, stay off the rez and certain parts of the bigger towns. In Rapid City for instance, almost all of the domestic violence calls are to "north Rapid" and more specifically Lakota homes. I would venture to guess that ALL involve some level of inebriation. I don't know the exact statistics and if I repeated them it would seem racist.
Sure, crack houses crop up even in small communities. I guess we just live in a culture that we choose to exist in a attitude of best possible scenario and not worst since it an easy choice to make. If you walk around expecting the worst, guess what you attract?
If it works for you, fine, we just live in a different culture. I have been around this country a bit and you can have those neighborhoods where businesses bar the windows and you have to pay first for gas before you pump. And fwiw we can carry a gun anywhere we want without a permit, although not concealed and many city ordinances forbid it.

Originally Posted by willowbilly3

I am pretty sure it is a privelage, one I surely appreciate............ .

No, it is a RIGHT....not a privilege....thats the whole point of this post....

To Quote Dave Severson in an earlier post...... "It's a right guaranteed to us by the Constitution and just re-affirmed by the Supreme Court..."

So please understand that this was a very important decision to all of us who demand the RIGHT to self defence.