Thread: Oppose Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program

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Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea.
The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated.

Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi IMMEDIATELY To Oppose Cash for Clunkers!

Call: 202/225-0100
Click here to send an electronic message: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
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Talking Points
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Cash for Clunkers
• I am [calling/writing] to urge lawmakers not to include a “Cash for Clunkers” provision in the economic stimulus bill. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing would receive a "minimal" payment to purchase a new car. This is a misguided attempt to spur car sales and claim that the country’s air quality or fleet fuel mileage is being improved.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs threaten enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization projects. The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage.

• Cars turned in for scrappage often barely run, or are rarely-driven second or third vehicles that have a minimal impact on overall fuel economy or emissions.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs will reduce the availability of affordable transportation and repair parts used by low-income drivers. It will also compete with the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities that rely on vehicle donations to raise money.

• “Cash for Clunkers” ignores better policy options. If Congress wants to act, support for repair and upgrade is a better choice and a win-win for consumers, dealers, manufacturers and repair shops. Significant emissions and fuel economy improvements can be achieved in older vehicles through relatively simple and inexpensive means: repaired/replaced exhaust systems, tune-ups, etc.
• We hope we can count on you to reject “Cash for Clunkers.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter.


Here is some info:

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62498
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Larry

Originally Posted by drec

Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea.
The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated.

Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi IMMEDIATELY To Oppose Cash for Clunkers!

Call: 202/225-0100
Click here to send an electronic message: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
__________________________________________
Talking Points
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Cash for Clunkers
• I am [calling/writing] to urge lawmakers not to include a “Cash for Clunkers” provision in the economic stimulus bill. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing would receive a "minimal" payment to purchase a new car. This is a misguided attempt to spur car sales and claim that the country’s air quality or fleet fuel mileage is being improved.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs threaten enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization projects. The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage.

• Cars turned in for scrappage often barely run, or are rarely-driven second or third vehicles that have a minimal impact on overall fuel economy or emissions.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs will reduce the availability of affordable transportation and repair parts used by low-income drivers. It will also compete with the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities that rely on vehicle donations to raise money.

• “Cash for Clunkers” ignores better policy options. If Congress wants to act, support for repair and upgrade is a better choice and a win-win for consumers, dealers, manufacturers and repair shops. Significant emissions and fuel economy improvements can be achieved in older vehicles through relatively simple and inexpensive means: repaired/replaced exhaust systems, tune-ups, etc.
• We hope we can count on you to reject “Cash for Clunkers.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter.


Here is some info:

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62498
__________________
Larry

Who do I contact if I am in favor of it?

not another thread like this...............

Originally Posted by willowbilly3

Who do I contact if I am in favor of it?

Don't do anything; the politicians are taking care of your interests.

if your in favor of it, i fear this is not the message board for you.

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

if your in favor of it, i fear this is not the message board for you.

So saving every clapped out 80s pos car is what I should be about? I say crush everything that has peeling clear coat. Make the dealers crush a car for every new one they sell.
Actually the high scrap prices were pretty much taking care of the issue. Sure a few old cars get caught up.
But the thing is, very few of the "save the old cars" advocates really want to do anything about it. Case in point, local junkyard changes hands and closes down. The new owners decide they will have an auction before crushing. They start every car at $140 because they figured the average scrap price. Very few cars sold and now everyone is whining that so many old cars got crushed. Wanna start an old car preservation program? come on over, I'll load you up.

Actually, what I am not in favor of is someone telling me how I should think and respond to an issue. It still isn't we the sheeple yet.

Yuppers, everybody sez don't crush them cars....but nobody ever buys them when they go up for sale....

Maybe if the save the car thing was a bit more definitive....What cars, what years? Go sit outside the gate of a recycler and take a look at what goes in there, not much of anything a hot rodder would want... Guess I just don't see where a junkyard full of front wheel drive econo-boxes, mini-vans, and imports is worth saving....

If the government starts paying a bonus on scrap cars, I'd have to consider getting back into the crushing business.......

So for all those that support this: What if this had started back in the early 70's with the gas 'shortage'. How many of the cars we're restoring now or have restored would still be around? How many of us would have the rides we do have? 20 years from now the front wheel econo boxes very well may be the ones that are being restored.
Take the 57 Chevy 4 door. They've almost become more valuable than 2 doors because everyone used them for stock cars and they were sacrificed for fun.
Besides, when is the last time our government did anything that ended up being anything but a band aid for their greed.

Originally Posted by Dream Ride

So for all those that support this: What if this had started back in the early 70's with the gas 'shortage'. How many of the cars we're restoring now or have restored would still be around? How many of us would have the rides we do have? 20 years from now the front wheel econo boxes very well may be the ones that are being restored.
Take the 57 Chevy 4 door. They've almost become more valuable than 2 doors because everyone used them for stock cars and they were sacrificed for fun.
Besides, when is the last time our government did anything that ended up being anything but a band aid for their greed.

Go buy what you want now then......recycling scrap is a huge business, some poorly worded letter emailed to congress is not going to accomplish a thing.

Selling repairables??? To whom? It costs more to get most of these econo-boxes back on the road then anyone would pay for them.... Come on, be real..... recycling gets a lot of junk cars converted into something usable.... Want to do something about it? Then get this recycled metal used in the US for our own industry and our own jobs and not send it all overseas!!!!!!!

Lookie what I got in my in-box from Summit just now.

http://us.mc830.mail.yahoo.com/mc/sh...431497749&da=0

Dave, as usual you are the voice of reason.
Most of the cars built in the last 25 years are basically throw away cars. Planned obsolescence. Then most of the cheap cars are bought by poor people so they just drive them until they drop. The Escorts used to get a bad rap but it was all ghetto people who bought them. I got a customer once who took good care of his and it was actually a great car, same with neons, cavaliers, any number of little crapbox cars.

Originally Posted by DennyW

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It was sent to me by Summit. Maybe you have to be on their "list" to open it. I dunno'? I opened it again just now. Must be blocked somehow.
It's the same letter posted by drec with a Summit header.

in my 22 mile trec to the bomb factory every day i pass 25 car lots with 50 used cars each that nobody wants ..quite the eyesore for such a pleasant drive .. that`s what i would`nt mind seeing go away .. leave the car enthusiast -hobbiest vehicles alone ..

Well, I don't live in the city, haven't since 92 but a majority of the people with the cheap cars didn't take care of them and that's ghetto to me.

I want some of you bleeding harts to show me the part of the constitution that says the government should take money from me and give it to somebody else to scrap a car that they were stupid enough to buy and wear out and not maintain the constitution was not written to underwrite stupidity try reading the federalist papers and youll see why we are in this mess to start with.....ted