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Violence is not going away, even if all the guns in the world went away! We would just figure out another way to kill, been doing it since the begining of man!! David killed goliath with a rock. Ill give up mine when i know there is not another left on the planet!!

I have no problem taking it toe to toe, ive duked it out with the best of them, but im not gonna be caught with a knife in a gun fight. Im sad that`s the way the world has to be, but until we find a better way im keeping my firearms.

Attributed to the Marine Corps as the "rules of a gun fight"

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don't drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.
19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4" or a "5"

We all enjoy what is sometimes referred to as a bad boy sport. Hot rods were seen as outlaws. I don't enjoy that image thrown at me. I try to prove otherwise. I have a CWP, but most of the time I don't carry. But I like the right to do so when I want to. I don't need to, but at times I like to go out and shoot at some tin cans. I can do it legally because I have tried to follow the rules set up by the state I live in. We all have opinions, at least we can respect each others.

Can't help but wonder what we would be doing today If the founding fathers had said "let's all turn our guns into the british government. We really don't need them for protection. King George will cover us."

Wow!!!!!!!!!

Actually, there was an instance before the Revolution where the British commander decreed that the people of Boston were to surrender their arms. This was done in exchange for allowing the people in Boston to leave with their personal belongings and goods. There is a good record of what was confiscated. After the Bostonians gave up their arms, the British commander rescinded his promise and did not allow "goods" to leave the city.

It was estimated that at least 50 percent of the adult males owned weapons in the city of Boston at that time. It is also surmised that people turned in their junk weapons and kept the good stuff...not trusting the British.

Had it not been for a group of private citizens, the United States would still be a Brit colony. Of course no one is advocating the overthrow of the government by violent means but the need for an armed citizenry is still valid today. IF you think that it would be impossible to do the American Revolution today given the size and strength of the armed forces, remember that the British had the most powerful army and navy in the world in the 1770 era....they were unbeatable.

This article was in a recent "American Rifleman" which is an NRA monthly magazine.

mike in tucson

Originally Posted by robot

Of course no one is advocating the overthrow of the government by violent means but the need for an armed citizenry is still valid today.
mike in tucson

I do not support that type of thinking, but that type of movement could gain some steam in the next 4 years.

Gun control means hitting your target. End of story.

Haven't played with a street sweeper.............yet.
Come to think of it , I've never seen one at a show or store, are they legal here?

Originally Posted by Sinister

Haven't played with a street sweeper.............yet.
Come to think of it , I've never seen one at a show or store, are they legal here?

I do not have one, a guy I know has one. His is a semi automatic shotgun that has a spring wound drum clip that holds about 30 shells. You hurt after a few rounds, but there is nothing left of what you were shooting at. I'm not sure, I think it was from the gangster years, along with the Tommy gun.

Pat

Originally Posted by Evolvo

Ford2Custom,
Sorry man, that's a hard lesson to learn. Hope you can find a way to get your money back and put that ucker in jail.
Alan

EVOLVO
Thanks, just goes to show you're never to old to be taken by someone who appears to be honest. The law has to spend too much time on drug activity today to handle other forms of crime, that's just my opinion.

We are doing everything that's within the legal system. I have a trump card if everything else fails, can't say what it is now or it wouldn't be a TRUMP CARD!!! I will let you know when or if I play it. Maybe other people could use it also in the future if this happens to them.

He will go to jail if I have to deliver him!! I've been watching too much bounty hunter.


Richard

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women.. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out f or answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used... Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.



Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!



" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational
systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

I couldnt agree more firebird77clone. Thanks for sharing that. I dont watch much TV....havent for a very long time. Unfortunately I feel that our judiciary system along with our politicians make church and God a matter of social importance rather than a one on one, if and when they do go to church. I still remember our last open prayer as a group....way back in elementary school.....and the last time we stood before our flag as a group as said the Pledge of Allegience. And people wonder why I am so militant. I'm not sure my heart will ever be anything more than "sour" when I have to think about our country's management as a whole. Sorry if that offends anyone. We can all point fingers all day....but we the people are the reason our country is the way it is. We do much of the electing.

I would like to ask a question. How many reading this post have been robbed lately? Not necessarily by a gun but just plain robbed? I had a gun in my bedroom nightstand and was robbed at my dining room table. I responded to an ad in our local paper for a garage/ pole barn to make room for my junk so I could have room in my garage to work on cars inside instead of outside. The guy came with a truck with all of his information on it, polite honest looking hard working guy. When my wife and I agreed on the size of the building how, and where we wanted it, I called him back. He had given us samples of color, doors, windows everything that makes up a nice building 24’ X 32’ X 9’ eaves. We even went with extra concrete for a patio between the two garages. He wrote up the contract, had my wife sign the permit, we were set to go.

One small problem was, he had no intention of putting up our building. He was not registered, bonded, nor was his insurance up to date. This was 12-11-08 he walked away from my house with a check that he cashed on his way home for 75% of the cost of the building $8,850. Ray Shell Construction from Medaryville, Indiana is still walking around doing business as usual as far as I know. (I have watched enough court shows to know if it’s the truth you cannot be held for slander, or defamation of character). If you steal a loaf of bread in Colorado you will go to a privately owned prison, and even in my state you will go to jail but if it’s not robbery by certain criteria it’s up to you to get legal help. The Detective said it was criminal theft, and the prosecutor is trying to get him but he is still out and about. I turned over a 5-page document of every conversation date, and when he would offer excuse, after excuse why he wasn’t able to come over, and with recorded phone messages of him admitting he owes the money to us.

9 degrees outside I had no choice but to work outside because my wife’s car came home on a tow truck the rear brake pads came loose from the shoe, and got wedged, locked up the wheel. I had to replace the rear hub assembly plus the new brakes shoes, and drums. Ray has dish network he may have been watching an old movie, or laying back in his easy chair while I was freezing.

So you don’t need a gun, bat, brick, or any other weapon, just a good ballpoint pen to get by with crime. A crook is a crook, and they will use whatever it takes to get what they want.

Richard

No it's within the law, I'll post it later just don't want to take a chance he may get wind of it. No breaking the law, I don't look good in orange!!

Richard