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to me the problem is quite simple .. no one is affraid of the consequences of breaking the law .. freedom from punishment can be bought ..

Originally Posted by mooneye777

This is a spoof video explaining what would be the way of life for a criminal if guns were banned. Its kinda funny, but its very true to what we would be looking at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FwZVN3WiQ

The video has been removed, didn't meet their terms. I think we all know who will have guns if they are outlawed. For sure I would turn mine in, I wouldn't want my door broken down, couldn't afford to replace it. I think I have an old iron skillet they worked fine in the movies.

Richard

Ok, I got riled up when I posted, and even blubbed up the pledge, but the point was:

The government of the United States of America is a REPUBLIC.

It is very difficult to accept any conversation which is initiated with the ( currently politically correct ) misconception that our government is a democracy.

It's a republic. Stop calling it a democracy!

Firebird, You are just going to have to let this one go. There are some people that just don't get it, can't get it, and never will get it. Somethings are just beyond some people.

Now you know whats right, the Founding Fathers new what was right and stated it planly in the Constitution. Madison wrote about it many times in the Federalist letters, it has been taught in school ever sense there was school. If that is not enough to show or explan then it pretty much is a lost cause.

RS

Originally Posted by techinspector1

Back to the subject....
I'd rather have a gun and not need it......than to need one and not have it.

Yes This is very True This Time you are Right Tech

I should not have mentioned "Bad Vibes" and let this play out.



I should have sent my thoughts to tango in a private message.

Richard

ford2, I am going to take exception with your "Bad Vibes" comment. Now let me explan.

The topic of this thread is "Gun Control" this subject has to be one of the most hotly debated subjects of modern times. Why should that subject once broached on this site be any different? Emotions both Pro and Con run very high when talking about such a hot bed topic. The fact that some of that emotion leads posters in one direction or another should be completely expected.

I am not going to delve any deeper into the Pro's or Con's of gun control here, that has been done to great length already, and with no winner. But in a way we all have won because of the debate itself.

The Moderator of this forum has shown restraint in not locking down this thread at some point. I for one applaud that. Discussion of this topic can become heated, but it should be. All that have posted here on this subject have shown the Passion's that they have on this subject. Very little of that hated "Political Correctness" has been evident---very little. Folks have hollered and screamed in a way and have said exactly how they felt.

While I have made my personaly beliefs quite clear and while I have little respect for some of the views expressed. I have great "RESPECT" for there right to express any view anyone else has on this subject.

That is why the debate is a good thing!!

RS

Hombre259,

Let me say "Bad Vibes" was not a good choice of words.

Richard

It appears this thread is about to end and I feel educated on gun control.
I have fire arms in the house loaded since 1976 when I purchased them,but i'm not sure if the are ready.

Question: What is the shelf life of ammunition ????

Don, That is a loaded question----- Loaded get it??

There are many variable's to the life of ammo. The biggest problem usually is the primers, if they are made of a corrosive substance they can render the ammo useless. more modern primers are made from non corrosive componants and can last many, many years if not almost forever. Also some of the Nitro based powders can in time break down to the point as to be less than useful.

Some of the oldest ammo loaded into cartridges is ammo for some of the old Buffalo Guns and the target Rifles of that same era, around 1855 to 1900. I have 17 boxes of ammo loaded by the Sharps Co. in the 1800's this ammo is in a caliber of 45-110 that is 45 caliber and 110 grains of "Black Powder" I bought this ammo for a target rifle I have and was doing research on. I wanted to verify the old 1800 loading and the bullet design. On a hunch I took a couple of these to the range with me, loaded them up and much to my amazement they went bang!1 and shot just fine.

But in your case with unknown Ammo and components, and at least 33 years old. It just may be time to go and buy a new box or two. Sure as heck wouldn't want to wait until you really need it and there "NOT" be any bang at all. Then your rifle or pistol or Shotgun turns immediately from a Firearm to a club, and a real bad club too.

RS

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. - The gunman who killed 13 people in a rampage at an immigrant community center and then committed suicide was wearing body armor, indicating he was prepared to battle with law enforcers, the Binghamton police chief said Saturday.

The gunman, 41-year-old Jiverly Wong, had been taking classes at the American Civic Association, which helps immigrants assimilate, until last month, Police Chief Joseph Zikuski said.

Wong had a permit for the two handguns he used, Zikuski said. Most of the victims had multiple gunshot wounds, he said.

Wong, who used the alias Jiverly Voong, believed people close to him were making fun of him for his poor English language skills, Zikuski said.

Investigators said they had yet to establish a motive for the shooting. It was at least the sixth fatal mass shooting in the U.S. in the past month, and the nation's deadliest since April 2007, when 32 people and a gunman died at Virginia Tech.

It was not immediately clear if Poplawski has an attorney. A preliminary hearing, at which Poplawski could challenge the charges, was not immediately scheduled.

Poplawski is also charged with firing weapons into two occupied neighboring homes and with recklessly endangering four civilians with gunfire. None were wounded.

Police did not immediately say why Poplawski fired toward the neighboring homes, but some officers were seen going into nearby homes and perching on rooftops in an attempt to control the scene.

Poplawski had feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.

hey couldn’t get the scene secure enough to get to them. They were just lying there bleeding,” Sand said. “By the time they secured the scene enough to get to them it was way too late.”

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Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon,” said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.

Perkovic, 22, said he got a call at work from him in which he said, “Eddie, I am going to die today. ... Tell your family I love them and I love you.”

Perkovic said: “I heard gunshots and he hung up. ... He sounded like he was in pain, like he got shot.”

Poplawski had once tried to join the Marines, but was kicked out of boot camp after throwing a food tray at a drill sergeant, Perkovic said.

Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said Poplawski feared that President Barack Obama was going to take away his rights, though he said he “wasn’t violently against Obama.”

Vire, 23, said Poplawski once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn’t successful. He said Poplawski owned an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.

Obama has said he respects Americans’ constitutional right to bear arms, but that he favors “common sense” gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he would approve of curbs on ownership of assault and concealed weapons.

Suspect Lovelle Mixon was slain later Saturday afternoon in a gunfight with police that left two more officers dead. OPD identified those officers as 43-year-old Sgt. Ervin Romans and 35-year-old Sgt. Daniel Sakai.

Police said never in OPD's history had so many officers been killed in the line of duty in a single day.

The violence began when Hege and Dunakin, both on motorcycles, stopped a 1995 Buick sedan in the 7400 block of MacArthur Boulevard in east Oakland just after 1 p.m., police said. The driver opened fire, killing Dunakin and gravely wounding Hege.

The gunman then fled on foot, police said, leading to an intense manhunt by dozens of Oakland police, California Highway Patrol officers and Alameda County sheriff deputies. Streets were roped off and an entire area of east Oakland closed to traffic.

Around 3:30 p.m. officers got an anonymous tip that the gunman was inside a nearby apartment building. A SWAT team entered an apartment to clear and search it when the gunman opened fire, police said. Romans and Sakai were killed and a third officer was grazed by a bullet, police said.

Officers returned fire, killing Mixon, Acting Oakland police Chief Howard Jordan said.

Two boys, one a three-year-old and the other a five-year-old, were accidentally shot by a deer hunter. The hunter missed the deer and the bullet entered the day care center where the children were at.
Cheboygan County, Michigan- Sheriff’s deputies from Cheboygan Country were called to Angie's Country Kids Day Care Thursday evening for an accidental shooting of the two boys by a hunter.

According to Cheboygan County Undersheriff Michael Newman, as reported in the Gaylord Herald Times, when deputies arrived they discovered a female deer hunter had shot at a deer. The bullet missed the deer and traveled into a house that is a day care center. Two children were injured. The bullet grazed one boy's calf and the other boy's chest. The boys were taken to a local hospital where they were treated and released.

The deputies found the hunter had been in a cut hay field and was using a 30.06 rifle. She was approximately 400 yards from the home. Newman said, “It appears at this time the hunter may not have realized the day care was behind the deer. Even though the day care was a good distance away, hunters need to know what’s beyond their target and what their rifle is capable of doing.”