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Originally Posted by chopper1

I received the following in an email this morning.........

Snopes.com is not giving the whole story!

I always suspected David and Barbara Mikkelson who were behind "Snopes" were Obama and liberal oriented --now we know!!

Go to Google!!
Who watches the watchers?
Please read it all to the bottom!
Guess we have to use "Truth or Fiction" now .
For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim and email . But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com
Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding . Well, finally we know . It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers . It's just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby .

David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research .

After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation?
The reason for the questions - or skepticisms - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong .

Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues .
A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obamaand made a big splash across the Internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com . In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place .

David Mikkelson was contacted thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it .
He never called Bud . In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm . Yet, snopes.com http://snopes.com/ issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not!
Then it has been learned the Mikkelson's are very Democratic (party) and extremely liberal .

As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative .There has been much criticism lately over the Internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their web site findings .
Gee, what a shock?

So, I say this now to everyone who goes to snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts . . . 'proceed with caution .
Take what it says at face value and nothing more .
Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself .
Plus, you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do .

After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com

I have found this to be true also!

Many videos of Obama I tried to verify on Snopes and they said they were False . . . . Then they gave their Liberal slant . . . . !!! I have suspected some problems with snopes for some time now, but I have only caught them in half-truths . If there is any subjectivity they do an immediate full left rudder . www.truthorfiction.com A better source for verification, in my opinion .

I have recently discovered that Snopes . com is owned by a flaming liberal and this man is in the tank for Obama . There are many things they have listed on their site as a hoax and yet you can go to Youtube yourself and find the video of Obama actually saying these things . So you see, you cannot and should not trust Snopes . com . . . . ever for anything that remotely resembles truth! I don't even trust them to tell me if email chains are hoaxes anymore .

A few conservatives told me about snopes.com a few months ago and I took it upon myself to do a little research to find out if it was true .

Well, I found out for myself that it is true .

Anyway just FYI please don't use Snopes . com anymore for fact checking and make your friends aware of their political leanings as well .
Many people still think Snopes.com is neutral and they can be trusted as factual .

We need to make sure everyone is aware: that Snopes is a hoax in itself .

I believe someone on this forum in the past also questioned the accuracy of Wikipedia. Point is no one knows who to believe. We hide behind parties that we feel represent us but they really only represent themselves. I guess we have to look at multiple sources and weed out what seems right. In the end I stick with my original statement Politician shouldn't be trusted.

.... or like the article said, do your own research. Generally if I want to check the 'truthfulness' of something, I will go on line and check several on line sources and make my own judgment call. I have found some of Snopes information either misleading or only partially complete. But, with that said, usually just too lazy to bother. As far as Wikipedia, there are many of those on-line articles that have disclaimers at the top as to whether the information is correct or even complete. Before I quote one of their statements, I'll look at some of the attachments and notes.

Well. I have leaned a few things this weekend, IF it isn't car related on this website, then it is all just bullshit from someone that wants to argue and piss other people off!
I will NOT be posting anything if it isn't car related and never again will I post anything about what that "senile old fart" posts anyway.
(BTW, I wasn't the 1st to call that "senile old fart" a "senile old fart" anyway! :lol

Originally Posted by '23T-Pail

Well. I have leaned a few things this weekend, IF it isn't car related on this website, then it is all just bullshit from someone that wants to argue and piss other people off!
I will NOT be posting anything if it isn't car related and never again will I post anything about what that "senile old fart" posts anyway.
(BTW, I wasn't the 1st to call that "senile old fart" a "senile old fart" anyway! :lol

Thank you for that update. Very informative.

Not being apart of the staff here,but I am posting to this thread as .....well a fire fighter.

I am completely convinced that everyone who posted to this thread has tons of experience with this forum and forums like this one.Given that fact,we all know when it is time to" let it go".In fact by not continuing to post is a solution,RIGHT GUYS??.

Not taking sides here,in fact all I needed to do was skim over it to get a sense of how it was turning out.I have seen things like this so many times before as a peeper and as a Admin on a auto site.

Tech.......I respect the heck out of you and for all you know.I am just suggesting there are some topic's that are high risk that you might want to consider before starting.

So being the newbie..............all I am suggesting is we get back to the topics that the forum is all about.How about it guys........back to the hot rods we all are about???.

Originally Posted by 1gary

Not being apart of the staff here,but I am posting to this thread as .....well a fire fighter.

I am completely convinced that everyone who posted to this thread has tons of experience with this forum and forums like this one.Given that fact,we all know when it is time to" let it go".In fact by not continuing to post is a solution,RIGHT GUYS??.

Not taking sides here,in fact all I needed to do was skim over it to get a sense of how it was turning out.I have seen things like this so many times before as a peeper and as a Admin on a auto site.

Tech.......I respect the heck out of you and for all you know.I am just suggesting there are some topic's that are high risk that you might want to consider before starting.

So being the newbie..............all I am suggesting is we get back to the topics that the forum is all about.How about it guys........back to the hot rods we all are about???.

Gary, I appreciate your input. Notice however, that I posted what I did in Hot Rod Lounge, which is reserved for... "Shoot the breeze about all the non Hot Rod stuff..." quote and unquote.

As far as something being high risk, I care not in the least whose feathers I may ruffle. If something needs to be said, then it needs to be said. It is my opinion that these communists who have been elected to office need to have the light of truth shined on them. Some board members here cannot tolerate anything said against these communists, so they bleat out like a stuck pig. But in their ignorance, they attack the messenger rather than debating the message. Tough titty. As long as the management lets me post this stuff in a non-hot rod area, I'm gonna do it.

I've made a ton of enemies on this forum, but that does not concern me in the least. If I am able to convey what I perceive to be the truth to others who will listen, then I am doing good work the way I see it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Originally Posted by techinspector1

Gary, I appreciate your input. Notice however, that I posted what I did in Hot Rod Lounge, which is reserved for... "Shoot the breeze about all the non Hot Rod stuff..." quote and unquote.

As far as something being high risk, I care not in the least whose feathers I may ruffle. If something needs to be said, then it needs to be said. It is my opinion that these communists who have been elected to office need to have the light of truth shined on them. Some board members here cannot tolerate anything said against these communists, so they bleat out like a stuck pig. But in their ignorance, they attack the messenger rather than debating the message. Tough titty. As long as the management lets me post this stuff in a non-hot rod area, I'm gonna do it.

I've made a ton of enemies on this forum, but that does not concern me in the least. If I am able to convey what I perceive to be the truth to others who will listen, then I am doing good work the way I see it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Hey-I am your new found friend...........you just never knew that fact!!!. I know full well where this thread is posted and NOT to add to this debate AT ALL.

Tech-I am suggesting the wheels fell off this thread on page two.So how about just letting it go???.Nothing more to be gained here.You posted your point and it was read by many.Just trying to reason with ya now.......

That said.......how about that cam I have been meaning to ask you about???.

Oh yeah-when I first signed on to this forum I saw these section and thought it might be about beer and great looking women.Well might be that I need to start a thread about beer and good looking women.Now that would be cool

Once again proving why we do not allow political threads on CHR.

Let me repeat it for those who have not been around here for long (or for those who are now no longer here but enjoy manipulating others to push someones buttons since they cannot).


THERE ARE NO POLITICAL THREADS ALLOWED ON CHR.


Noses get out of joint and threads become heated, and threads turn extremely ugly, you want to talk politics, I hear that politicsforum.com is the place for you.

Before anyone sends me a PM, yes, I already know. Enough said.



Bill S.