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Originally Posted by 1gary

Well Bill it does seem some old coot asked you to do something about that very topic.

Yes, but you are neither owner of the site, nor it's only moderator

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I doubt any of us will ever change someone else's opinion, but with this being an election year I know it will at least help to keep an awareness in peoples' brain when it's time to pull the curtain and do the deed on election day next November!!!!! A lot of politicians would like to extend that government control to include our Hot Rods and race cars, too. At the very least, reading someone else's opinion on an issue leads us to more thought and hopefully more research on that issue.... Learning is never a bad deal, and a modicum of respect for conflicting opinions is part of that learning deal too.... (Now who was it that just reminded me of that not so long ago??????)

Indeed, but as we have seen in the past (and the reason why we rarely allow threads like this to exist here), cars and politics do not mix. Feelings get hurt, noses get pushed out of joint, and people leave the forum in a huff. Not only is the counter productive, but it brings the whole forum down to a "us vs them" mentality. When that happens, and people start taking sides in a heated disagreement, nobody wins. Again, so far, this thread has remained mild, as long as it stays this way, it will be allowed to progress. If not, it gets shut down and archived.

All I (and Brent) ask is for people to not embarrass themselves and act like the responsible adults that I know you are in real life.


Bill S.

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Yes, but you are neither owner of the site, nor it's only moderator





Indeed, but as we have seen in the past (and the reason why we rarely allow threads like this to exist here), cars and politics do not mix. Feelings get hurt, noses get pushed out of joint, and people leave the forum in a huff. Not only is the counter productive, but it brings the whole forum down to a "us vs them" mentality. When that happens, and people start taking sides in a heated disagreement, nobody wins. Again, so far, this thread has remained mild, as long as it stays this way, it will be allowed to progress. If not, it gets shut down and archived.

All I (and Brent) ask is for people to not embarrass themselves and act like the responsible adults that I know you are in real life.


Bill S.

Whoa Bill I never make claims to either of those titles.Simply put I mistakenly started this mess and asked to be respected to put a end to it projecting what you just posted above.To be blunt,it has no place on a forum like this one in my opinion.

Originally Posted by 1gary

Whoa Bill I never make claims to either of those titles.Simply put I mistakenly started this mess and asked to be respected to put a end to it projecting what you just posted above.To be blunt,it has no place on a forum like this one in my opinion.

"Started this mess", yes, while you did start the topic, you later admittedly realized you could've read your own link! And saved yourself a headache??

Actually, I thank you for creating an opportunity for us to have a respectable exchange of viewpoints and ideas! While this isn't really auto related, out choices in the near future will certainly have an impact on us and our cars!

Originally Posted by 1gary

Whoa Bill I never make claims to either of those titles.Simply put I mistakenly started this mess and asked to be respected to put a end to it projecting what you just posted above.To be blunt,it has no place on a forum like this one in my opinion.

And thankfully this is not a forum of one opinion being oppressive to the whole, and we generally show respect in what we post. We likely have some members (or guests) who either 1) don't open this thread and don't care to read the dialog, or perhaps expand their understanding of whichever side they take; or 2) open the thread, scan the latest entry shaking their heads in dismay. Uncle Bob mentioned earlier that a lot of people had probably quit reading part way through his dialog, and in another place mentioned "Roger gets it" (thank you, Bob). For me, Bob very definitely "gets it", and he is very talented in his expression of his viewpoint. I read every word of every post on this thread, and I look forward to Bob's latest insights. I find that as I read Bob's posts, my head is generally nodding vertically, even for those places where I have to go back and re-read parts to understanding the reasoning. For some others my head tends to shake side to side as I wonder at the inequity of the statements, but I still read every word.

Neither side is perfect (it is not a perfect world), but as we look back at history there have been many, many of the highest respected leaders who have addressed similar situations. Today, in this election year rhetoric, we seem to have shifted from "Let's lift up the poor." to "Let's pound down the rich." Winston Churchill once said, "I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." Another popular target, which I tire of hearing about, is "...the 1%" and the need for them to "...pay their share", to be "redistributed" to the lower/middle income classes. I heard it said on a national commentary that if our collective leaders were truly concerned this would be a world view, as we are indeed in a shrinking world of technology, and they would assess that we are the richest major country in the world, and if you compare average household incomes on a world basis then the "1%" cuts deep into the US population, down to those who are bringing home incomes well below the national median of ~$28,000. Are we all ready to accept a, say 30% reduction in our taxable income in order to "share the wealth"? I believe this falls into the "Be careful what you ask for" category.

Those "Five Great Sentences" pretty much boil down to a simple mathmatical fact - Sharing of the wealth means that in each successive round of sharing there will be less to share, until there is eventually nothing left to share. I've been exposed to some of the writings of C.S. Lewis recently, and I note a quote that he made long ago, which to me shows that history tends to repeat, or perhaps that we humans seem to have a hard time learning from our mistakes.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C. S. Lewis

Originally Posted by rspears

And thankfully this is not a forum of one opinion being oppressive to the whole, and we generally show respect in what we post. We likely have some members (or guests) who either 1) don't open this thread and don't care to read the dialog, or perhaps expand their understanding of whichever side they take; or 2) open the thread, scan the latest entry shaking their heads in dismay. Uncle Bob mentioned earlier that a lot of people had probably quit reading part way through his dialog, and in another place mentioned "Roger gets it" (thank you, Bob). For me, Bob very definitely "gets it", and he is very talented in his expression of his viewpoint. I read every word of every post on this thread, and I look forward to Bob's latest insights. I find that as I read Bob's posts, my head is generally nodding vertically, even for those places where I have to go back and re-read parts to understanding the reasoning. For some others my head tends to shake side to side as I wonder at the inequity of the statements, but I still read every word.

Neither side is perfect (it is not a perfect world), but as we look back at history there have been many, many of the highest respected leaders who have addressed similar situations. Today, in this election year rhetoric, we seem to have shifted from "Let's lift up the poor." to "Let's pound down the rich." Winston Churchill once said, "I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." Another popular target, which I tire of hearing about, is "...the 1%" and the need for them to "...pay their share", to be "redistributed" to the lower/middle income classes. I heard it said on a national commentary that if our collective leaders were truly concerned this would be a world view, as we are indeed in a shrinking world of technology, and they would assess that we are the richest major country in the world, and if you compare average household incomes on a world basis then the "1%" cuts deep into the US population, down to those who are bringing home incomes well below the national median of ~$28,000. Are we all ready to accept a, say 30% reduction in our taxable income in order to "share the wealth"? I believe this falls into the "Be careful what you ask for" category.

Those "Five Great Sentences" pretty much boil down to a simple mathmatical fact - Sharing of the wealth means that in each successive round of sharing there will be less to share, until there is eventually nothing left to share. I've been exposed to some of the writings of C.S. Lewis recently, and I note a quote that he made long ago, which to me shows that history tends to repeat, or perhaps that we humans seem to have a hard time learning from our mistakes.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C. S. Lewis

Now you ticked me off on a perfectly good day.Not one opinion???. Right,just yours,Dave's and Bob's.And if it's Dave's you follow along like a puppy dog.

How did this thread get from wanting I guess some simple info about a law about the internet to for god's sake Churchill???.Sure seems to me your guys need some direction.

MY NAME is not what I want associated to threads the likes of this.And I'll be dammed if people will tell me where or when it gets used.Not up for a vote or opinion.Period.

You guys want to vent(face it all this is nothing more than venting leading to well nothing),go start your own thread and stop running me down with this horse hockey.Respect huh???.

Before I forget.Stop talking to me like I am some sort of a newbie.Cause that just ant so.