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One of the keys to effective leadership is that the person in charge either have the knowledge and ability to assess situations, develop detailed plans to address the situation and then develop the means to execute that plan; or he/she needs to surround himself/herself with people of proven capabilities to handle the heavy work, and then using that input select the best plan and present it as the best path forward. From my viewpoint we continue to hear things like "I want us to be (insert wish) in the next (insert timeline), and I'm directing Congress to use their initiatives and intelligence to get us there." That, IMO, is not leadership but Snake Oil Sales. You set impossible or unrealistic goals that make you look good, and then blame the system when nothing happens. Our politicians on both sides of the aisle have become too adept with eloquent speeches that really don't say anything other than a bunch of big promises with nothing behind them, and even more excuses as to why their grandiose promises have not come to fruition. But then what do we expect when a "leader" selects his close circle of senior advisors not by their proven skills, but by their past/future monetary contribution potential.... Just my $0.02 on a piece of the problem we see today. I'm getting soooo tired of trying to see through wool

Well, here's a quote from the letter I got from Senator Tim Johnson.... The Democrats are all totally in line behind the administration on the Keystone Project!!! I'm sure the State Department will continue to drag their feet and take absolutely no action on it till after November!!!

I quote;


"Because this proposed project will cross into the United States from Canada, a Presidential
Permit issued by the Department of State is also required for the overall project to proceed.
The State Department issued a Final Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) evaluating the
proposed pipeline route in August 2011 and accepted comments concerning whether the
project is in our national interest through October 9, 2011. The State Department also held
public meetings on the Keystone XL Pipeline proposal in South Dakota and several other
states.
During the public comment period, significant concern was raised over the proposed route
through the Sand Hills area of Nebraska, including from the Nebraska State Legislature and
Governor Dave Heineman. In response, the State Department announced on November 10,
2011 that it would seek additional information and review alternate pipeline routes through
the state of Nebraska. In its announcement, the State Department indicated that further
review of a new route through Nebraska and public comment periods would likely delay a
final determination until early 2013. State officials in Nebraska and officials from
TransCanada have agreed to find an alternate route, which requires review at both the state
and federal level.
On December 23, 2011, Congress passed legislation (H.R. 3765) that included a temporary
extension of the payroll tax reduction that included a provision requiring the Obama
Administration to issue a final decision on the Presidential Permit within 60 days. This
action was taken despite warnings from the State Department that a permit could not be
approved before a new route in Nebraska is finalized and reviewed. On January 18, 2012,
the State Department announced that the presidential permit would be denied because the
60-day timeframe was not sufficient and the permit application in its current form is
incomplete. This decision does not preclude a new permit application once a new route
through Nebraska has been proposed, but it does signal that the Administration takes
seriously its responsibility to carefully consider permit applications, regardless of efforts to
politicize the process.
As with any project of this magnitude, it is important that environmental, economic, and
public safety concerns be properly addressed and that a decision be based on the best
available information and consideration of public comment. Please be assured that I will
continue to monitor this issue."

Haven't heard from my other Senator who's a Republican---should be fun to compare their responses, anyway!!!!!

that is the biggest pile of steaming political bovine excrement I,v heard seance I didn't inhale or I didn't have sexual relations with that woman.....ted

Yep, Dave, and the fact is that a revised route, totally missing not only the sand hills but an area of a particularly shallow aquifer that had been cited as another potential problem (both having been identified in the initial routing study), was finalized last November.

November 15, 2011|By Kim Murphy, Los Angeles Times, Reporting from Seattle — The builders of the controversial Keystone XL tar sands pipeline agreed Monday to reroute it around Nebraska's ecologically fragile Sandhills in the hope the move would shorten any delay in the project, which has posed political complications for the Obama administration.
TransCanada Corp.'s agreement to skirt the porous, watery region atop the nation's most important agricultural aquifer was celebrated by Nebraska ranchers and conservationists who have battled the pipeline.

The administration, however, chose to ignore the reroute, citing that it would require formal studies that would delay the approval process into 2013. As you said, it will be interesting to hear what your other Senator says.

Originally Posted by ted dehaan

that is the biggest pile of steaming political bovine excrement I,v heard seance I didn't inhale or I didn't have sexual relations with that woman.....ted

Maybe he smoked dope when he was younger, and messed around with fat girls, but at least we didn't have a trillion plus deficit!!!!!

In the little town that I live in a main route Michigan 131, may or may not get a bypass to go around the town..I have lived here since 1994 I have visited the place since 1957. They have been talking about this bypass for well over 20 years. It will be a 2 lane road maybe or a 4 lane road. It could go east of town or west of town. You would think that after 20 + years some one would know somthing. They say they have to do a ecology study of the land and then decide what kind of bridge to put over the river.. Then there is the problem of Who will maintain the curent bridge after they make the town route villiage owned??? I think if they got a few people off the payroll it would go a little faster. To show how stupide I think they are they held a town meating to discuss what the bridge should look like .The damn thing isn't even it town its out the the country In the woods Whos going to see it. Certianly not the town people. POLITICS makes money for the elicted officials. Small town USA

I do not know much about this subject.Obama gets what he wants,so why bother looking at the news.And the same nuts who elected him in 2008 will put him right back in in 2012.I will go vote republican,thats all I can do.
My question is,why can`t tankers deliver oil to texas refineries if the wacko`s stop pipeline?Can`t ships haul it to USA instead of China? Or is Canada going to make deal with china to buy it all?
All I know is I have been out of work 3 years and Gasoline went up 38 cents a gallon yesterday.Will blow by $4.00 a gallon in few weeks.Obama must hate this country to block that pipeline.He is a real lowlife.

occupy my ass the fact that the cost of gas has increased by 83 percent and the cost of meat by by 38 percent sense all this green obamawoppr take animal feed and make gas is a stupid way to go ya YA OBAMA IS GOING TO CHANG AMERICA . but not the way Americans want we don,t want to go back to horse and buggys as a matter of fact back in the horse and buggy days one of the big problems was horse emissions it bread flies and disease and the avg. life span was 45 to 50 yrs but the government didn't mandate the horse breeders to breed a cleaner horse free enterprise and capitalism saw the potential for a that( right wing word profit and jobs ) and solved the problem, how about the millions of lives cars have saved because of elimination of disease . we have to stop government that wants to legislate AMERIATOPIA. ya dave we don't need the government to pass more laws every law the pass either takes away our money or our feedom ....ted

Ok Ted, all laws are bad.

Catch 22-in order for the sand oil to break even , gas prices need to be over $4 gallon, so this will not lower gas prices

So, let's take the lefty argument that Alan's minders have fed him to the next step. We're told that it won't be anything near 20k jobs.....ONLY 5-6000. Of course they're private sector jobs and that in itself makes them useless. You never know for sure how those private sector workers will vote, you must have government workers who know who butters their bread. And the best negative is they're TEMPORARY jobs...........................yeah, what a waste those are. Never mind that ALL construction jobs are effectively temporary, but hey, who needs that construction stuff, that implies growth, don't want any of that icky stuff, well, unless it's government agencies, then it's good, very good. Besides, those lower middle class construction guys don't kick big campaign contributions like the kings of temporary jobs...................the con men who backed Solyndra, Ener1, and the rest of the pixie dust energy schemes, some temporary jobs are more equal than others. And the worst thing about Keystone is it's funded with private sector money, while Pixie Dust Energy is spending taxpayer money, or more accurately, borrowed in the tax payer's name money..........just put it on the national Visa card! Campaign contributions, campaign contributions, campaign contributions......get that through your head dummies, that's what makes an economy prosper..............................well, at least for the autocrats and their buddies at the top.

Part of the reason for sending the oil to the gulf region is that's where the refineries that can handle that type of crude oil are. If the primary objective was to ship the stuff overseas, an east/west pipeline in Canada would make more sense, cheaper and shorter. Shipping via tanker would drive the dropped price too high to be competitive, pipeline is much cheaper. The next big lie you'll be hearing is about how we export refined product so obviously we don't really need the extra crude from Canada. Again, it's real world economics in the private sector where controlling costs and making rational spending decisions is important (totally foreign notion to those who live by government should rule all dictate). If the cost to lay in finished product shipped from a refinery in, let's say Houston, were more expensive than to ship it via tanker from a less costly to operate offshore refinery then bringing it in from offshore makes more sense for the marketer as well as the consumer. Very few people as a percentage of our population have ever spent much time working up the economics of pricing structures so all that's involved is foreign thought to them. And it's apparently not as interesting as watching some insipid show about Kim K.......whoever she is. So, they are easily misdirected by charges of greed against the evil oil companies when pricing goes up.................never spending a minute to think through the additional costs borne by the suppliers as a result of government interference.

We don't know if Keystone will lower the price of gasoline, that's determined by market conditions involving far more than a single decision. However, what Keystone does do is add to a North American supply stream that's far more reliable than most offshore sources. That benefit remains invisible UNTIL there's something that messes up that offshore supply. It also benefits our balance of trade as Canada is a reliable customer/trading partner for stuff we produce. But in the current political environment, it's all about power for certain politicians, not energy for the people.

It all goes to a recurring question that remains unanswered. Did this country grow to be the most successful the world has ever know when we had more or less government interference than we do now when it's in the early stages of decline?

Bob,
I'm glad your beat me to the keyboard, as you've hit the same points I had from reading Alan's post - temporary jobs are of no value, the number of jobs, supply & demand, etc, etc, but you did it much more eloquently than I. The sad thing is that in Canada they are actively pursuing the construction of an east/west pipeline to BC, siting specifically that Obama blocked the pipeline to the US, and that they need an outlet for their crude now, not five years from now. Thwarted On US Oil Pipeline, Canada Looks To China : NPR It also points out that 97% of Canada's oil production currently flows to the US, so creating a new market for all of this crude from their tar sands area to China creates diversification. There are people expressing environmental concerns with a pipeline terminal in the pristine BC coastal area, but as stated pipeline projects are very rarily blocked in Canada - they apparently understand the free economy principals better than the average US citizen. Oh, and for those who say, "Why not ship it to Houston??" Take a look at the shipping route from BC to Houston - do you really want to be dependent on the Panama Canal, or sailing around the tip of South America for a large chunk of our oil supply? Talk about increased costs of transportation!!

Any project that decreases the demand for Saudi oil is a good thing. I think most of us recall in detail the impacts of the oil embargo of '73 did to our energy picture. We're shooting ourselves in the foot here, and some seem to think that's OK as they still have one good foot and they can hop!!

When you have a lieing idiot at the helm there is no telling where you will wind up.

Another thing on the jobs....Maybe (though doubtful) it is only 5,000 jobs, remember the area where the jobs are at, right through the heart of low population areas. Maybe 5,000 jobs in LA or New York is no big deal, but even 100 new jobs in South Dakota is big news!!!! Heck, the big cities out here wouldn't constitute a medium sized suburb in the high population areas!!!! Same thing in Nebraska, North Dakota, Montana, Oklahoma, and Kansas---5,000 jobs out this way is a very big deal!!!!!

The way I'm starting to see this whole pipeline thing with the State Department and Obama is that the license and permits will be issued, probably about December, 2013 after the election is over and nobody has to worry about losing a few votes from a bunch of radical tree huggers!!!! IMO it's a damn shame when this and so many other issues just get postponed or dropped completely till after November, 2012!!! Getting the votes and winning a 2nd term should not be a priority over what is best for the majority of the country!!!!! This 'study' of the pipeline route has already been going on for 40 months and cost us who knows how many millions of dollars.... all another 11 months of delays does is cost us taxpayers more money... and the big thing, anything that could help end our dependence on Mid-Eastern oil should be a priority for our government and not just put off for some ludicrous "wait and see" on the elections....

I'm certainly no expert on legislative procedure, but there has got to be a way that Congress can force the State Department to take action and get the permits issued, isn't there???

I agree with you dave unfortunately the congress can,t force the president to sign anything I might add I don,t know if you realize the pipeline is paid for with private money but all the so called studies and foot dragging is on our dime.....ted