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Originally Posted by Evolvo

Oh yea, I almost forgot. I read a quote from Adlai Stevenson the other day. "If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democratic Party, we promise to stop telling the truth about them." I got a good chuckle from that one!!

I remember Governor Stevenson and am old enough to have voted for his opponent in 1956. I'll agree, Allen, that is a clever quotation. I like it.

Another of his quotations, one that gives ME a good chuckle, says: "In America anyone can be President. That's one of the risks you take!"

The present administration shows how great that risk can be.

Jim

Just changing President's won't change anything!!!!! If Congress can't get anything done we might as well have Barney Rubble in the White House!!! Our government of the people and by the people is a thing of the past, until voters start putting people in Congress who want to do what is best for the country and not just what the party line says is best for their party nothing will change. Congress should not be a power struggle to see which party can control, it should be REPRESENTATIVES of the populace who's only goal is to do what's best for the entire country, not just what's best for their largest campaign contributors......

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Just changing President's won't change anything!!!!! If Congress can't get anything done we might as well have Barney Rubble in the White House!!! Our government of the people and by the people is a thing of the past, until voters start putting people in Congress who want to do what is best for the country and not just what the party line says is best for their party nothing will change. Congress should not be a power struggle to see which party can control, it should be REPRESENTATIVES of the populace who's only goal is to do what's best for the entire country, not just what's best for their largest campaign contributors......

But Dave,
When you have a President who's mis-using the Executive Order tool to the extent that President Obama has, it is indicative of a bigger problem than Congress not working together. This President is smart enough to have found ways to get his way regardless what the Constitution says, and regardless what the Law says. He has a definite agenda, and he's working toward that agenda. I'm sorry, but in this instance Congress is the sole entity protecting us from an out of control President. God help us if they start working with him.

"Rotating a 2-man team each 8 hours would require 38,000 Marines", I'm sure there are that many over seas that would like to come home for a tour of duty

Stop whining Allen, so typical of lefty throwing a fit & calling people names cause folks counter with facts, to the dreams . If the Deomrats ideas were so great we would not be where we are right now. Is it all there fault, let me say no way there are plenty of WEAK Conservatives in the ranks as well helping your causes ...... sad to say but it is reality however.

I get the biggest kick out of lefty, he runs around hair on fire screaming about lies, crooks and racism old lefty if king of all those labels. Lefty is funny but dangerous never forget that.

Alan, you must have missed the meeting where you were assigned to be my whipping boy. Ted is someone else's assignment..........but I can't remember who.....

We each have our own perspective on issues as well as what "ideas" should have a priority for rebuttal. Most of the stuff you choose to post is what I consider the typical, mainstream leftist propaganda. You have the advantage of a wide band of what looks like "support" because what you espouse is the meme for most of the print, audio, and video media. Echoed by much of politician purchasing wealthy, academe, and the entertainment industry. You guys have the big megaphone (or echo chamber, you choose) that belies your actual representation as a portion of our society. Your ideas, information, conclusions, whatever you choose to call it, ride the wave of a purported Goebbel's quote, "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth." I know............gee that's harsh! Well let's look at one of my favorites that you pulled out again in the past few days. G.W. Bush destroyed the economy (not an exact quote, but a representation). (just to set a tone of context, this is not intended as a defense of the former Pres. it's to point out the shallowness of that assertion and it's juxtaposition to how Pres. Obama's performance is measured by your side) I have challenged you on this before and you've not replied. No lefty has ever tried to answer the question: If a village idiot (as you guys so often like to portray him.............Is that racist? Hmmmm) from Texas can single handedly exercise the vast powers of the Presidency to destroy our economy, how is it that the worlds most articulate and brilliant Messiah (again, the left's representation) can't wield those same powers and right the economy in just as short order? (I'm sure that's racist!) Yet that is the meme. Surveys show that a wide band of our population believes that, even after four years of the Obama Presidency. True, the numbers are diminishing, but slowly. Yet I have never heard one of you folks from the left tell us EXACTLY what actions the former Pres. did to destroy the economy all by himself. The tax cuts that were enacted along with a Democrat controlled Congress? No, federal data show that actual revenues increased after the tax cuts that cut across the entire income spectrum (NOT just the rich as is often lied about). Oh, then it's an "unfunded" war...............a war approved by Democrats in Congress as well as Republicans.......and Congress "controls" the check book........not the Pres, And since (often not mentioned because it doesn't fit the propaganda narative), Pres. Bush had to deal with a Dem. controlled congress for about half his term, they could have shut off the funding anytime they wanted to..........but didn't. So, those two excuses don't wash....................so what was it that Bush did exactly to kill the economy? Oh yeah, he eliminated regulations....................Really? Show me where the Federal Register EVER shrunk in size for the elimination of regulation(s). And here we are today with The Most Brilliant President Ever, whining himself, and supported by the deeply entrenched communication network, telling us that his abilities to fix the economy are thwarted by those pesky Republicans. You know, the ones who controll only one house of Congress, and have done so for only 1 1/2 of the 3 1/2 years Obama has been in office. And in those first two years, the voters of this country gave Pres. Obama a very strong majority of his own party members in both houses of congress, a situation that, under the powers vested by our Constitution, gives the President the absolute highest level of authority and potential power allowed. President Bush NEVER had that amount of support from Congress................yet you want us to believe he destroyed the country/economy, yet O is powerless?

The point is I don't choose to address things that lean toward what I perceive as conspiracy theory (conspiracies do occur, though not as often as either end of the political spectrum likes to think, so they may sometimes be valid). We have enough debunkable tripe spewed by the left to challenge............and are facing an overwhelming propaganda mechanism..............we should do a better job of focusing our efforts for effectiveness sake.

if one simply reads the history of the democratic party it becomes painfully simple. it has become a party of the poor, for the poor , and by the poor . this is exactly how obama got elected . democrats see themselves as the all high savor of the masses . the party has lost it's roots and it's way . much as the republican party has . we simply cannot afford all the entitlement programs . sorry , we dont have the money. and there are not enough rich folks to tax to fix it. although the gimme folks like the sound of it . the answer is in getting people back to work paying taxes and contributing to the economy instead of being a burden on it.

allen why don't you get a copy of your leaders book and read it or better yet get a copy of books on tape he actually reads it himself so you can't say he was misquoted or taken out of context then you can take the blinders off and apologize to me .....ted p.s you talk about insanity you won't like the names I 'I'll start calling you

Originally Posted by ted dehaan

allen why don't you get a copy of your leaders book and read it or better yet get a copy of books on tape he actually reads it himself so you can't say he was misquoted or taken out of context then you can take the blinders off and apologize to me .....ted p.s you talk about insanity you won't like the names I 'I'll start calling you

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't BUY his book!!! Go to your local library and check it out. THEY already put money into his pocket, and what a waste!! Check out the book, learn the truth from his own mouth, and then make informed decisions.

Wasn't Stevenson from Illinois?

I guess the closer to election we get, the more mud will be slung from both sides. In the end, everyone needs to vote for who they feel best represents them. For once I feel that Obama isn't my choice. Doesn't mean I love Republican or Democrats, just looking for a change from this last 4 years, just like I was 4 years prior to that! Dave pretty much sums it up clearest, they all are corrupt self serving liers. Politicians aren't people, they are self serving power hungry individuals, who don't care or respect "we the People!"

Ya know what guys? None of this crap really means anything!!!! The people we'd better vote for this year are the one's who are ready to do something about the upcoming food shortage in this country!!!!!! Corn is over $8.00 a bushel already, and the full impact of this falls corn shortages aren't even beginning to be felt yet! Three guys I talked with this week sold their pigs (over 1,000 head feeder pig to slaughter operations) and will not be buying more because the price of corn negates any possibility of a profit!!! Cattle feeder buddy of mine in Nebraska was going to chop all his corn (the little their is) for silage, buy more cattle and feed them.---Wrong, the corn is so high in nitrates and low in nutrition it's not even fit for cattle feed. Then add to this a government that mandates 10% ethanol in gasoline, and is trying to increase this to 15%. This will add even more to the price of corn, some say around $11.00 a bushel by harvest time, and all of a sudden we have placed fuel in front of food!!!!! You think a bit of a dilemma in the agricultural part of the country doesn't involve you??? If you eat, you're involved in agriculture!!!! Some have bemoaned the farm program and farm subsidies--many of which have been ignored by Congress and are now or soon will expire. Don't expect farmers to raise pigs and cattle at a loss!!! Left to simple economics of supply and demand, corn will sell to the highest bidder (ethanol production) and food production will suffer terribly!

That's it in a nutshell. The national debt, world economics, ad nauseum will mean very little this winter when you're trying to figure out how the heck you're going to afford to put food on the table!!! How's $12.00 a pound pork chops, and $15.00 a pound hamburger sound???? If that fits into your budget, then you must be right up there in income with Mitt and the boys!!!!! Is this the price we must be willing to pay to keep government out of big business???? I sure as heck don't have all the answers, I'm not even sure what all the questions will be but what I am sure of is that if the idiots in Washington don't quit arguing about a bunch of stupid, meaningless bs and become a proactive government instead of a reactive government it's going to be a long, hungry winter for a lot of us!!!!!

Can we still afford to keep our troops in countries that don't even want us their (at the cost of how many human lives and how many billion dollars annually? Is there anybody running for any office who actually gives a hoot about the day to day problems the majority of us face now, or the problems coming in the future??? If nothing POSITIVE is done soon in Washington we could conceivably fall into a depression that makes the recessions of 2008 and 2012 seem trivial!!!!! I'm to the stage that I could care less about what anyone wants to do about situations throughout the world, I'm looking for the people who have a plan for feeding the people in this country and some sort of plan for economic survival for Joe Average!!!!!

What do you expect from the people you vote for???

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Ya know what guys? None of this crap really means anything!!!!

I'm to the stage that I could care less about what anyone wants to do about situations throughout the world, I'm looking for the people who have a plan for feeding the people in this country and some sort of plan for economic survival for Joe Average!!!!!

What do you expect from the people you vote for???

I've let these kind of comments, yours and Steve's along with a couple others, slide as usual grousing. But it's time to try to interject some sensibility in this portion of the commentary. Do we have problems with crooked, self serving politicians. Sure, we get the government we deserve. If we believe the government should have the power to rule our lives............this is what we get. They tell us what kind of light bulbs we can use. Tell us we must use food, or land that could grow food alternately, for purposes other than food. Piss away borrowed money to fund pixie dust energy boondogles, and on and on..................we've listed a bunch throughout this thread.

But what really bugs me is this, "they're all the same, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU VOTE FOR" B.S. It does matter. It seems this "it doesn't matter...." crap always comes up when certain politicians are in trouble in the polls or focus groups. Then it gets filtered into the media messages in a subtle way.............."Congress is disfunctional....", "Such and so are obstructing....." and so forth. When one segment of the political spectrum doesn't get a blank check the other guy is unreasonable for not caving in. Funny, we never got any of that "disfunctional" jazz a couple years ago. The media's guys had full control...............................and look at the results. You want government to "do something"? When they have full control of the medical system they'll literally have the power to say whether you live or die at their whim.

The 2010 election was the people sending a clear message that a significant number of the population didn't like what happened in Congress and from the White House. Some of you don't like or agree with that message, but it was a democratically expressed message.........not controlled by the top of the political system and it's lap dog propaganda machine. A good number of those folks elected then are trying to put some dampers on an excessive government, but don't have the numbers yet to make it happen. They are, of course, a target of the power hungry and could just as easily lose their seats. THAT'S why this "they're all the same......" junk gets spread. It's a TACTIC to subtly suppress voter turn out. Think about it...................who would benefit most from a dejected electorate in this election cycle. If you (the general you, not Dave specifically) can't figure that out, maybe you shouldn't vote. The founding fathers wisely structured our government with the intent that no politician could annoint himself king (or similar). They purposely wanted divided power so that all factions could have a chance and none be suppressed by some authoritarian structure. It saddens me to see too many in our society lose sight of that and as a result, intentional or not doesn't matter, throw away freedom for the common man.

Dave, the corn we eat is not the corn they make fuel out of. Post 673. I know prices will be going up do to the lack of corn , If they were growing all FOOD corn it wouldn't be as bad. Bob I can't wait to try and get a ballot before election day as I want to sit and go over all the canditdates. Or I will be spending a lot of time at the pole in November. I never have and realy don't think anyone should just vote a stight ticket.

hell nobody votes in this country. the numbers are embarrassing . they set home on their ass and watch football, do their farming at krogers and think bitching will fix it. when i was a kid there was a garden in every back yard and most had some chickens to boot.
what i want to see is someone with the balls to cut all the bullshit out of the budget. somebody tell me why an old fat farmer in texas has to pay taxes to give to the new york arts district ???? cut it all. period. trying to read all the social programs we fund will cross your eyes. most are pure bullshit to start with. every senator and congressman are scared they wont get a piece of the pie . we elected these old bastards now we need to get rid of them . and you do that by voting not watching football. another waste of tax dollars and real estate .