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this country has never prospered with unemployment above 5% or so. jobs are the answer. and forcing those who want the free ride to work . kudos to the states requiring drug testing for welfare. feeding your kids is one thing, feeding your drug habit is another.
i agree with most of your post bob except i believe jobs are created by those who take the risk. supply and demand is key but someone has to take the risk to start a business which in turn supplies ( maybe a better word ) the jobs.
i can tell you ahead of time if romney wins he will piss off the entitlement folks . he will make cuts in spending i hope like he did as governor . when you and i are broke we stop spending. hard choice but necessary . i can only go by what i can find out . unfortunately this time it is more about getting rid of obama than choosing a winner. it's the hand we were dealt .
i really love the big business hater who have a 401k stuffed full of ge stock and exon mobile ......

Quote from Dave

"My statement was that the blame needs to be passed around, same thing that went on during the Bush Administration!!!! The same Congressional Fat Cats that take care of themselves and their party first could have, should have taken some action to prevent these debacles. Congress, by the way, did approve the Gm Bailout, as well as many others.

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia on the bailout.... Seems it depends (as usual) on which side you want to believe,

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United States
Although the Obama administration had initially provided the automaker five years to repay the money in full, in March 2010 GM made more than $2 billion in payments to the U.S. and Canadian governments and promised to pay the full balance of the loan portion by June. The company beat that self-imposed deadline when on April 21, 2010, GM CEO Ed Whitacre, Jr. announced that the company had paid back the entire amount of the U.S. and Canadian government loans, with interest, a total of $8.1 billion."

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Dave, If I might comment on GM's miraculous(?) recovery:

I did a bunch of sniffing around. I can't give any specific sources for this, but all of it is verifiable.

The government coughed up 45 or 50 billion in TARP bailout money.

Well....... that, plus a few minor things that the so-called "mainstream media" says just about nothing about:

- A special exemption waiving payment of $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits.

- An exemption for all liability on cars sold before the bailout.

- $360,000,000 in stimulus funds.

- A share of the $15.2 billion "cash for clunkers" program.

And how 'bout the $7,500 tax credit for everybody who bought the wildly popular Chevy Volt.

Okay, that said, some loud rumbling concerning GM. This is from Forbes magazine:

General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy -- Again - Forbes

Who makes out like bandits in this whole sorry deal? The UAW.

WHOOPEE!

Jim

I have said this before and guess I will again. You don't need to get rid of unions just need to get unions back to keeping the "WORKERS" on the job and not the lazy SOB's that hold positions and do nothing. I have been on both sides of that fence. I worked and didn't need a union to keep my job BUT, a lot of others sure do. I realy liked what happened in WI. and think it needs to happen more.

I think if you look at the current unemployeed population and the financial aid they are recieving, it would be easy to harness this "workforce, at current rate of reinbursement that they are recieving, and put them to work. I've said this before, and will say it again. Instead of giving away money to people not to work, let's put them to work with the same funds, and get something back in return. I don't know about the rest of the country, but here the roadways are deteriorating. Lets take this work force and assign them to road maintenance. Let's take all those mom's on welfare, and teach them day care skills, so they can work watching their kids and other's kids, while the others can work else where. Let's take the unemployed construction workers, and assign them to projects that need help rebuilding or building new facilites. Nexts lets get our troops out of these foreign countries and use the money we spend there, to help improve education of our own. It's not rocket science to teach a man to work, will provide that person with skills to feed themselves and their family and feel good about it.
Heck Their are millions of jobs that could be funded by what we spend supporting people not to work. Seasonal fire fighters, trail crew for our National Forests, Parks and monuments, and state and county parks which are closing left and right for lack of funds.
How about training some of these folks as teacher assistants and placing them in the classrooms.
How about instead of supplementing farm corperations not to grow food, or grow"junk food comodities, to grow food that could be store long term, or distributed to people on food stamps. Make local community farms, and create jobs for folks who can't travel far to work, and are unemployeed to grow the food they get, vs. get food stamps for junk food.
I think their is a lot of resources and wealth going to waste. We don't need to raise taxes to spend more money to inspire more people not to work. We need to retrain people to feel value in working. Okay off the soap box now!

gotta lay land by for a year. you cant plant every year .

Originally Posted by cffisher

This is to 1 gary...You keep spuing that we need CHANGE Recreat government. You sir sound like "O" What is your plan ?? How would impliment it?? Talk is cheap. It is to me obvious that the system need a little polishing but to say it dosen't work in my eyes is wrong. I worked for a Large company for over 20 years before it closed. At age 50 I moved to another state, started a business and continued to work till I managed to wreck my body to the point it hurt to get up in the morning. I finely retired at age 62. Closed the business down and quit advertising. That was a while back I still get calls from customers some I help others if job is to big I refer them to others. If you don't work for what you want it is worthless. I hate it when people say Change this change that when they haven't any clue what the hell they are talking about and no sugestions as to what to do...BUT lets get'r done...OK I'm off my soap box

Charlie.I totally agree with you. What I was hoping for was input from you guys just like guys that come on here asking for ideas about their cars. I am very sure having only a four yr term for president and than so much of a longer terms for congress is way out of balance.How anyone could expect anything from a president is beyond me.

Originally Posted by shine

gotta lay land by for a year. you cant plant every year .

Shine I grew up in the city but always heard what your saying. Around here I have never in 18 years seen a field without a crop in it.. its either potatos corn or soybean.. sometimes flowers for the bulds.. I live in the "Seed corn capital of the world" Or so they claim.

you dont just leave it bare. you plant a plow crop . meaning you plant something then plow it in to rebuild the field. otherwise you are spending a fortune on fertilizer and hurting the land.

yeah if there is no crop there is grass, they seed by air(the grass) and fertilize the same way, I was talking to a guy that works for Pioneer he said they now have corn seed that is has bug repelent built in, but safe as it goes away when cooked????

Did you know?

Inside 8 Mile industry news blue oval Ford Logo By Raphael Orlove
May 24, 2012 10:00 AM

Ford Takes Back The Blue Oval
Ford finally owns its own logo again.
Why was it gone, and what did it take to get it back?

Ford pawned the emblem along with their headquarters, some factories, the rights to the Mustang and F-150 trademarks, and some other assets for a $23.5 billion loan in 2006. That loan was one of the main reasons why Ford didn't need bailout money along with GM and Chrysler two years later.

Yesterday's upgrade in Ford's credit rating to Baa3 by Moody's Investors Service released the collateral for their loan.

You can read Bill Ford and Alan Mullaly's e-mail to all Ford employees at The Detroit News.

i will say this. i have enjoyed talking about some of our problems without it getting out of hand . refreshing to say the least.

i'm kinda torn on the auto bail out. on one hand i'm " screw them let them go under " but then i think of the one's who would loose the most. all the venders, cafe's , smaller mfr's , trucking , it just goes on and on. i just dont know what a catastrophic lose in commerce would do. i dont want to see hundreds of thousands of hard working folks suffer for some suits mistakes.

The thing to keep in mind about the WAY the auto bailout was done is that all the supporting infrastructure would not have been completely hung out to dry and forced to go out of business as the frequent narrative says. GM and probably Chrysler would have had to enter a normal Chapter 11 reorganization process run by a court of law like most companies who pursue bankruptcy do. Instead we got a bastardized version of a Chapter 11 run by the Whitehouse instead of a possibly neutral court/judge. In a normal Chapter 11 labor unions are forced back to the negotiating table just like creditors are and likely the cushy terms of their contract would have been reduced. AND they wouldn't have gotten a financial windfall at the expense of the previous bond holders and taxpayers. The way the story is propagandized today is a typical "...if you're not in favor of doing it the way the left wants it, you're in favor of doing nothing....." b.s.

Gives a CLUE as to who is running this country

[QUOTE=shine;472779 if you think obama is doing a great job vote for him. if not vote for romney. but constantly complaining about the system does nothing. i have more faith in my country than you and refuse to just throw my hands up and give up. 10 years from now we will still be hearing how bush did it and ron paul got robbed .[/QUOTE]

The Democrat convention hasn't even started and the same old "Bush caused it" BS is already coming at us in stinking, steaming, shovel-fulls.

All weekend we have heard an endless procession of DNC big shots singing the same tired old song and the goat is always George Bush.

Shine and I have both been constituents of George W. Bush for a long time, first as Governor and then as President.

Some contributors here (and I honestly appreciate them because our differences of opinion do keep this thread interesting) squawk about the blaming, finger pointing, and occasionally what might be called "name calling" aimed at President Obama.

Well, let me tell you. Since George Bush arrived in Washington he has been portrayed as a bumbling fool or a jackass or the village idiot, or worse. The whole time he remained above it all, refusing to lower himself to the level of those making the noise.

George Bush is a fine man, unlike, say, Al Gore who was, and remains, as lost as a goose. Or William Jefferson Clinton, who had sense enough to move to the center thereby salvaging a fairly acceptable presidency...... but, that said, he was still the poorest excuse for a man to ever hold the office.

The main things I can fault President Bush for are (1) Failure to seal the border, and (2) he didn't use his veto pen NEARLY as often as I wish he had.

I think I'd enjoy having a beer with President Bush (but I know he couldn't do that) but not with those other two guys.

Jim

The Dems also tell,how many times Bush went on "vacation" compared to Obama's Vacations which is a lower amount of days, BUT Bush went to Crawford Texas, not lavish expensive trips, basicly only using AFOne, I'm sure because from a security standpoint, use of a presidential limo or AFOne would almost be required.. The Obama's have done 16 trips or something like that, all at a huge expense to the taxpayers, but the Dems have yet to add the trips up and compare the costs. I think the smallest trip Michelle has taken ( Aspen ski trip ) cost nearly $100k to the taxpayers, meanwhile she has her own money she could have used. She's just a smooth talker, puts on a show cause it helps Hubby's tanking ratings.