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As of yesterday your question is obsolete Roger. By Presidential decree (from his own mouth no less) Women's Health, or Birth Control, or whatever other euphemism you wish, services will be provided for FREE. Whoopie!!!!!!

Of course, if that can really be done honestly as the President dictates, then why stop there? Greedy oil companies must provide fuel FREE! Evil grocery stores must provide food FREE! Demonic Levi's Corp must provide jeans FREE!! It's Utopia at last, and all it took was a simple command from the World's Smartest Man to make it clear to we simple minded dupes. A toast with your favorite adult beverage (Budweiser has been ordered to provide that free haven't they?)

It's such good news it posted twice I guess..................

how people get their money is not an issue. that is for law enforcement and the courts to decide. but this liberal bs of supporting the 40+% of people who pay no tax at all is crap. stop whining about rich people and go to work and see if you can become one. they owe you nothing. they have already given you a job .

Allan the same should be said of the lowest 25% how they aquire their money. Around here they start in middle school, get pregnant, have a bunch of kids , get government subsidized housing, welfare, food stamps, and start doing drugs. Then we foot the bill at the hospital for each and every birth. Next we increase our property taxes to pay for their special ed programs(drug dependant moms really mess with fetal brain development). We increase taxes to pay for social services to periodically monitor them in their housing to make sure the children are safe. We then inflate the charges to insurance paying working class, and non insured working class, to compensate for the losses from all the free handouts. Now here in California, we allocate funds from our soon to be bankrupt government, to give Illegal Aliens Financial aid to go to college.
The only problem with this, is that those who actually work for a living, pay for those who chose to not. If I decide to not pay for them, I go to jail for breaking the law, however the illegal aliens, don't!
Problem is people get acustomed to taking handouts, and then want more. It's a viscious system, being abused, and it takes away from the short term help for the truely needy, and gives it to lazy occupiers who have nothing better to do that tax me more, make me work longer for retirement to benefit from years of taxes for free health care at the age of 67, when they start in middle school, that's the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not to me. they are not the problem . it is the morons in congress who constantly come up with new social programs for me to pay for. there have always been crooks on wall street and always will be . but it is the ones in washington that steals my money.

Originally Posted by Evolvo

Well, Roger I guess it depends on how they acquired their property. Apparently it's not always on the up and up.........

FBI — White-Collar Crime

I haven't read any specifics listed on this sight. That's an awful lot of crimes to investigate, should keep them busy for a while, lots of job opportunities with the FBI. OCCUPY CHR

Alan, I'm really quite disappointed in your reply. First of all, I agree 100% with Shine - the question is not where they got their money, but what gives the government the right to steal from them just because they are above some magic threshold, in this case the 1%. Even if we entertained that diversion, are you really going to sit there and try to sell that the 1% got there by white collar crime?? Most of those white collar criminals are corporate minions who find ways to cheat the system, not CEO's and the Buffet group of high rollers.

Shine's dead on - how people get their money is not the issue, and that's a law enforcement issue, and the point that it may create positions for more law enforcement types at the FBI is moot. It may be "important", but it's not the question here. Besides, I doubt that any of the "Occupy" crowd could come close to qualifying for those positions with their "high cost degrees" in philosophy, poly sci, old english literature, and underwater basketweaving. I've still not heard one comment to justify the "Occupy" mindset relative to the 1% being tagged to pay the 99%.

Our government has run most of the big business out of this country. I guess they want to run that 1% out with them. You can't keep taxing to pay for crap we don't need. When I start a project it almost always cost more than I planed but I started with a budget saved for it and when I go over I stop till I can afford it again Not so in our government. They just go take more from anyone they can. like there 1% of 10% on the interest on new mortages. They are all crooks, every one knows it, and no one dose anything about it.

Originally Posted by rspears

Besides, I doubt that any of the "Occupy" crowd could come close to qualifying for those positions with their "high cost degrees" in philosophy, poly sci, old english literature, and underwater basketweaving. .

Those are pretty good ones but the best I ever heard was a few years ago during a college football telecast. As the announcers were introducing the starting players for each team they were including each player's major. Most were typical except for one whose major was "Playground Activities". I would have never guessed that one had to have a college degree in order to teach kids how to play dodgeball.

Originally Posted by Evolvo

I'm surprised that you feel that no matter how the wealth was acquired, once they've got it, they get to keep it. Right on the FBI website it refers to Enron and what they did to their own employees pensions and customers. Oh well.
No one has really addressed what I feel is the most important issue today, that is what Robert Reich talks about in this article, here it is again if you missed it: Robert Reich (Occupiers Occupied: The Hijacking of the First Amendment) Corporations are people and money=speech!!!! Soon only the wealthy will be allowed to decide who runs the country. Wait, wait......it's too late, they already do.
I always read what others link, so I'd like to hear your response to this article.

Evolvo, I agree with you on two points, the thieves at Enron or Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac or even the Halls of Congress need to pay restitution! Start with Barney Frank!

And to your other point, "business or corporations" have the loudest voice now! Except when election time comes! Vote'em all out and let's start again I say. If we do it enough times we will all get our retirement for serving our term and we'll all have the best healthcare the gov't politicians get free of charge!

Originally Posted by Evolvo

Roger, I'm surprised that you feel that no matter how the wealth was acquired, once they've got it they get to keep it. Right on the FBI website it refers to Enron and what they did to their own employees pensions and customers. Oh well.
No one has really addressed what I feel is the most important issue today, that is what Robert Reich talks about in this article, here it is again if you missed it: Robert Reich (Occupiers Occupied: The Hijacking of the First Amendment) Corporations are people and money=speech!!!! Soon only the wealthy will be allowed to decide who runs the country. Wait, wait......it's too late, they already do.
So I'm gonna put in one more link. It's from the New Yorker Magazine, I subscribe, which won't surprise you I'm sure. Yes, it is progressive and reflects my values. That shouldn't be a surprise as most folks get their news and opinion from sources that do that, too. I think you'll find that it gives some insight into how today's political campaigns are run:
Larry McCarthy, Mitt Romney, and Restore Our Future Super PAC : The New Yorker
I always read what others link, so I'd like to hear your response to this article.


OCCUPY CHR

Alan,
You continue to try to divert attention from the question instead of giving an answer. Let's actually look at the 1%. According the the NY Times, ( http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/bu...pagewanted=all ) based on the most recent census data the "1%" includes a far wider group than most people believe, and is comprised of those households (not individuals) who have an annual income above $380,000. This includes almost all pro atheletes, corporate execs, and even some DINK's who pull down salary's in the $150k range (plus capital gains) all the way up to the Warren Buffet's. According to the article, "The top 1 percent of earners in a given year receives just under a fifth of the country’s pretax income, about double their share 30 years ago. They pay just over a fourth of all federal taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center. In 2007, they accounted for about 30 percent of philanthropic giving, according to Federal Reserve data. They received 22 percent of their income from capital gains, compared with 2 percent for everybody else."

So let's forget about the very small percentage that are scoflaws involved in white collar crime and concentrate on the wide range of normal, every day people who are putting in long hours, spending days each week away from home/family on business travel, the entrepreneurs who build companies from nothing, employing hundreds and thousands of average Joe's & Janes. One more time, what gives the government any right to target them to give up their hard earned money to give it to others? Simple question, and we can address your articles once you answer this simple question, or admit that there is no viable answer.

alan , do you have a 401 or any other kind of retirement fund ? if so you are part of the problem . your money is invested with the big bad corporate boys you complain about.

Roger. Alan can't anser that q. without attacking you or the constitution ...ted

The left hand (pun intended) doesn't know what the left hand (yes, intentional) is doing.

I love the Enron example for oh so many reasons. One of the most frequent visitors to the Lincoln bedroom during their rise in the 90s was..........Ken Lay. If I remember correctly the Pres at that time was the guy Alan voted for and would defend endlessly today. It took a change at the Justice department to begin prosecution of Lay and Skilling. Then there's the Cap and Trade program for supposedly controlling CO2 emissions. The whole scheme was designed by......................Enron. Let's see, they were crooks who devised programs to fleece the regular citizens, correct? HMMMM.

So, after the fact, when prosecution began and the facts started coming out the Congress, run by folks who Alan and his soul mates support as champions of the little guy, passed a law known as Sarbanes/Oxley, or SARBOX for short, that was supposed to prevent those evil corporate leaders from cheating the common folk. Great law, imposed gazillions of dollars of unproductive expense on virtually all US corporations. And to what effect you ask? Well, let's look at one example that has an ironic twist.

Just last month the head evil capitalist, corporate leader of a company called MF Global was invited to testify before Congress as the company he led had just failed, primarily because they had "misappropriated" some $1.2 billion of investor funds (auditors this week increased that amount to $1.6b). Not only was their mishandling of the client money illegal, the CEOs claim to not know what happened to it is illegal under the terms of SARBOX. So, we have a law that doesn't get the job done, but it still costs the American economy a lot of apparently wasted money...............which, if economics is understood, costs jobs. But wait there's the ironic twist. The CEO named John Corsine (D, NJ) was a US Senator in the early 2000s, was a cosponsor of SARBOX, and voted for it's eventual passage, and attended the signing of the bill. What a country, what a country...............

Given his connections with certain party members, what do you think the odds of his spending any time at Club Fed are?

Then we have the two wealthiest guys in the country; one is my neighbor (only a slight exageration, and I think he lives closer to Alan) Bill, and the other a country bumpkin from Omaha named Warren. Both these evil corporate demons have exhorted "the wealthy" to pay more in taxes, even saying they'd happily pay more.........you know that fair share thing. Bumpkin Warren even invoked his poor, poor secretary who he says pays a higher tax rate than he does. Clever wording that.....makes it sound like she pays more taxes than he does, but in reality it's only a different rate number applied to a different class of asset. Deceitfu? Wash your mouth out, we're talking about Saint Warren of Omaha here!!! Anyway, both Bill and Warren have thes things called Foundations. For those unfamiliar with tax law, Foundations are a legal vehicle that the wealthy can use to channel as much of their wealth into tax free. Disclaimer: charitible foundations can be a good thing, and as stated are legal, so I'm not against them. But, when you see a wealthy guys named followed immediately by the word Foundation, that's what we street people call a tax dodge, the white shirt and tie guys call it legal tax avoidance. Now I'm not too bright, but it seems to me if Bill and Warren REALLY meant what they said about wanting to pay more in taxes............to be fair of course........then all they'd have to do is lead by example and not put that money in tax shelter vehicles such as Foundations, they'd just pay more taxes on it. Hmmmmmm

Well maybe that term lead by example is the problem. You see, they're both real palsy walsy with the guy in the White House who also tells us how rich he is and how he should have to pay more in taxes. He'd willingly do that he says. Says vs does.......let's see what he does in reality, not in speeches on a teleprompter. Since we have a rule that the Pres has to diclose his tax form each year, last April we got to see that the Pres and his family made some right tidy money. Good for them, I'm sure they earned it. Of course with that much money they had to hire a big time tax accounting operation who did a good, legal job of calculation his deductions. Again for folks unfamiliar with the terminology, deductions means money that is sheltered from taxes. All legal, and in many cases justifiable, but tax avoidance nonetheless. For the Pres he had something over $300k in deductions which, at his tax rate, lowered his tax liability by something over $100k. Hey, Mr. Pres buddy, here's a thought if you really mean what you say instead of just pontificating to sound good. DON"T HIRE THE ACCOUNTANTS.............forego the deduction and you'll pay more in taxes as a result. But then..........................that would be leadership wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by shine

how people get their money is not an issue.

You got that right, Shine. How they got the money doesn't matter.

Neither does how much of the stuff they have.

If I made ten dollars today pickin' cotton and my neighbor Joe made millions from investments (or whatever his thing happens to be), well, more power to him. I don't hold any resentment for him because he's successful.

I'm not entitled to a penny of Joe's fortune. It gives me the willies (whatever "the willies" is) to think that over half of the US population feel that they are entitled to a share of it.

And they'll get it.

That greedy s.o.b. (Joe) should, to quote the liberals, "share the wealth".

What in the world is he going to do with all that money?

Well, one thing he WON'T do is put it in a "Prince Albert" can and bury it in the back yard.

I'm probably one of very few here who knows what a Prince Albert can is .... or was.

He'll most likely turn it over to some snake of a fat-cat Wall Street investment broker in an effort to rake in even MORE money. Money that should be given to worthy causes ….... causes like buying food for "Occupiers".

Uncle Bob used the term “non thinkers” a few postings back. That's very appropriate and I'm sad to say that the term applies to some members of my own family. Our daughter (34) has an IQ of 160+. She is a seven year employee of Emirates Airline. She and her geek (then) husband traveled from Dubai to Texas to vote for the Pied Piper. They didn't, and they still don't, have the foggiest idea what the man stands for..... his policies, his goals, his methods, nothing.

Our son (32) is a career Coast Guard officer and a good and respected one, but he neither reads nor listens to the news. Not Fox, not CNN, not NPR. however, as we speak I'd bet that some inane, silly and/or crude situation comedy is playing on the family TV.

Well, he does watch sports.

Our much-loved former Vice President (the one who invented the internet and became the world's foremost authority on global warming) referred to people who are well off financially as “Those who have won at the lottery of life”.

What a buffoon.

Jim

Phone call to Jim.........

Crank: "Hey mister, do you have Prince Albert in a can?"

Jim: "Why yes, I do."

Crank: "Well, you better let him out before he suffocates." Ha Ha Ha, click.....