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Originally Posted by Matt167

Lets not forget, that is actually a 1 sided question. If your asking about presidential accomplishments, well the answer is none because he has not been President yet

Nope, never mentioned presidential accomplishments, just accomplishments. Bring 'em on!

The "Obama Phone" isn't true. W actually expanded that law from the 1930's to include Cell phones, however, he did ok giving assult weapons to drug dealers thru the Fast And Furious operation. He denied he had anything to do with it of course.

Originally Posted by Matt167

The "Obama Phone" isn't true. W actually expanded that law from the 1930's to include Cell phones, however, he did ok giving assult weapons to drug dealers thru the Fast And Furious operation. He denied he had anything to do with it of course.

and that would of course be the only sting operation in the history of man that ever went bad, right???? I seriously doubt the President set the whole operation up, just took the blame when it went wrong......

I am all for giving the people in dire need some help. If a person is able-bodied, they should perform some token work in exchange for any assistance. That assistance should be administered by churches locally....keep ANY national organization out of local charities because they only screw up the system by having layers of managers and excess paperwork. The government does not OWE us anything except defense and what is in the Constitution.

A consulting firm does not create companies... They come in to an existing company, get their money up front then hang around a try to make things work. If it works out, fine, if not, they got paid anyway. Consulting companies used to have another name, efficiency experts, the first thing they look at is the biggest expense to a company, labor costs! Reducing labor costs increases profit. So, they're going to be looking for places to reduce labor costs by having fewer employees, fewer benefits, or lower wages....

Are you really sure we want a President who is more concerned with increasing profit then caring about people??? No one has yet explained how you lower taxes on the rich and famous, and increase revenue!!!! It didn't work last time, why will it work this time??? Seems to me the one's getting the biggest breaks will (again) be the one's making $250K a year and up---not sure how that helps those of us making less then $250K, yet paying our taxes at a higher percentage rate?????

What is wrong with making a profit? Every person I have ever met wants to make profit. I am unable to understand the problem with that. But I do know the result of not making a profit


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Another example of not making a profit:


Record High Enrollment for Food Stamps: 46,681,833 Million

12:51 PM, Oct 16, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

There is nothing wrong with making a profit....That phrase is another RNC talking point that has been used far too much!!!! My point was, about continually increasing profit at the expense of the employees.....

That link goes to a vote early article......

Lower taxes for the rich creates jobs.

I've never seen a poor man open a business and hire hundreds of people.

Originally Posted by firebird77clone

Lower taxes for the rich creates jobs.

I've never seen a poor man open a business and hire hundreds of people.

Oh yeah, there's that trickle down economics thing again--no one has yet explained why that will work this time??????????

No poor people ever opened a business and hired hundreds of people??? Well, Dave Thomas, Ray Crock, Henry Ford to name a few have done it. Big business IMO should not be the center of attention for the economic debate... Small business is where the real hiring comes from, and small business also initiates the $$$$$ that roll over how many times in a local economy????

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Oh yeah, there's that trickle down economics thing again--no one has yet explained why that will work this time??????????

I've explained it many times over the years, complete with links to Federal Government produced charts that showed the REVENUES that increased after each of the major income tax RATE cuts implemented by four different administrations. The quote I posted a few days ago that you denegrated the as "Trickle Down....." was from JFK, Aug. 1962...........yes, back when Democrats weren't spiteful toward the producers. For all the frequently repeated BS about "Bush tax cuts cause the deficit..." (now THERE is an actual talking point), the highest EVER revenue income year to the Federal Government was 2007! Revenues aren't the problem directly, it's spending in excess of the realistic revenues that actually causes debt increase.

Here's a paper that enumerates the concepts in considerable detail for those who are open minded enough: http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

Will this post end the silliness about "Tax cuts causing the debt"..............if history is prolog.............not likely............but the info is presented yet again in rebuttal to be ignore by all who are true idealogues.

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

... No poor people ever opened a business and hired hundreds of people??? Well, Dave Thomas, Ray Crock, Henry Ford to name a few have done it.

I don't think Henry Ford was ever "poor" and I'm not sure about the other two but I would think that none of them were poor when they hired "hundreds" of people. And I think Kroc bought McDonalds.. he didn't start it. I'm guessing he wasn't poor at the time.

Originally Posted by herbet99

I don't think Henry Ford was ever "poor" and I'm not sure about the other two but I would think that none of them were poor when they hired "hundreds" of people. And I think Kroc bought McDonalds.. he didn't start it. I'm guessing he wasn't poor at the time.

All of them started their business on a shoestring. Crock and Thomas had both had numerous business failures before they became successful... I know of a lot of folks here locally (self included) who started with little more then a good idea and eventually started business and hired people. You don't have to be rich to start a business, just willing to do the work!!!! Did they hire hundreds of people the day they opened? Heck no, only the government is foolish enough to try something that ill advised!!!!!

BTW, what's the alternative? Waiting and hoping that some giant corporation hires you??? Lots of us were never cut out to belong in corporate America and started our own business because of what we wanted to do and how we wanted to do it.

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

All of them started their business on a shoestring...

I think you make a good point. I'm just not sure about your examples. Kroc (and I'm assuming we're talking about McDonalds Ray Kroc) bought McDonalds for $2.7 million. hardly a "shoestring". Dave Thomas was already a millionaire when he started Wendy's.

Yes, these guys worked hard to become successful (and rich) but did so before they started hiring large numbers of people. So yes, I would agree that we should do all we can to make it possible for "poor" people to work hard and become rich in the hopes they will eventually hire a lot of people. Who would then pay taxes (broaden the base)

If a company does not make a profit it cannot grow it cannot hire more people, another word for employees. Saying that I am using an RNC talking point it patronize me. You I believe work as a small business man. I on the other hand come from the corporate world and have worked there as of 70.

The companies I have worked for have grown and hired many employees, do they down size departments yes they do. If your little shop hired a floor sweeper and the activity coming in the front door slowed, profits down would you not down size? Of course you would and why because your profits are down, economics 101.

Saying "That phrase is another RNC talking point " is a DNC talking point, so nothing gained nothing learned. Head in the sand, and around and around we go. I like working in the corporate world they make good profits. They train employees in new skills, they invest in new processes, expand the corporate foot print, bring you computers, tools, and every other convenience that our families enjoy. So really consider the profit a good thing cause you want that as much as the corporations.

The hat trick in the coming election is which one of these two men will take the hand cuffs off the people that create the jobs and wealth of this country...Really a very simple common sense choice, we have the advantage of knowing where one of them has taken the country.

Hussein Obama has had four years to unshackle the small business.

Somehow you expect it takes eight?