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“…….For instance, lets start at the bottom, item 20. Do you disagree with any of the items to support Vets that was accomplished under his time at the helm? And how does that compare with Mitt Romney?........”

Let me start off by saying I have a hard time voting for any candidate who will become Commander in Chief who has not worn the uniform of this country. I don’t believe that anyone one who has not been there can fully understand the implications of sending our service men and women into harms way.

“……..20. Increased Support for Veterans ……”

Of course the while the present administration takes full credit for these reforms on one hand, his Department of Homeland Security issued a report that classified returning veterans as a potential terrorist threat. “…..the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups…..”

But I suppose that much like the results of the Libyan terrorist attack being the Secretary of States fault, this would have to be laid at the feet of the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.



And while we’re on the subject, lets also mention number 4.

“…….4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011……”

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which set the withdraw of US forces from Iraq was negotiated by the Bush administrations and signed by president Bush.


…………………………………OR

“…….5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year…….”


I can’t help but notice that the peak number of troops took place just last year under the current administration.

…………………………Finally

“…….6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered……”

Do you really think that if anybody else had been president at that time that they would have done things differently? Do you believe that Obama had made some great change in the intelligence community that led to our finally being able to locate bin Laden?


But then again Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize and Romney doesn’t. That’s something I’m sure that has made an impact on how the Muslim world in general and Al Qaeda and the Taliban in particular view the US.



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And this from today



“.......2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.....”

Government-funded battery maker files for bankruptcy - Bottom Line


More Kool-Aid anyone?



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14. ... expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

The only thing Pell Grants and other education subsidies have done is made colleges richer and college more expensive. When I attended college (30 years ago), one could afford college without loans. I know because I did it. I was a full time student, worked nights and weekends and was able to pay for room, board, and college. And it wasn't even that much of a struggle. Therefore, I would conclude that anyone could have afforded to go to college as long as you had some type of a job and the ability to get accepted to a college.

Today, state schools (in VA) are $25,000 a year. I don't see how someone could afford to pay that working nights and weekends.

Health care is going the same way. Health care is expensive because of subsidies. Medicare, Medicaid, and now Obama care. I feel bad for my kids who are around college age now. Things are really going to suck in another 30 years.

Originally Posted by Mike P

And this from today
“.......2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.....”

Government-funded battery maker files for bankruptcy - Bottom Line
More Kool-Aid anyone?

$249 mill ain't chicken feed, Y'all, great post and perfect timing, Mike !

Someone needs to go get a switch and head to the Rose garden

Originally Posted by firebird77clone

Lower taxes for the rich creates jobs.

I've never seen a poor man open a business and hire hundreds of people.

Oh yeah, there's that trickle down economics thing again--no one has yet explained why that will work this time??????????

No poor people ever opened a business and hired hundreds of people??? Well, Dave Thomas, Ray Crock, Henry Ford to name a few have done it. Big business IMO should not be the center of attention for the economic debate... Small business is where the real hiring comes from, and small business also initiates the $$$$$ that roll over how many times in a local economy????

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Oh yeah, there's that trickle down economics thing again--no one has yet explained why that will work this time??????????

I've explained it many times over the years, complete with links to Federal Government produced charts that showed the REVENUES that increased after each of the major income tax RATE cuts implemented by four different administrations. The quote I posted a few days ago that you denegrated the as "Trickle Down....." was from JFK, Aug. 1962...........yes, back when Democrats weren't spiteful toward the producers. For all the frequently repeated BS about "Bush tax cuts cause the deficit..." (now THERE is an actual talking point), the highest EVER revenue income year to the Federal Government was 2007! Revenues aren't the problem directly, it's spending in excess of the realistic revenues that actually causes debt increase.

Here's a paper that enumerates the concepts in considerable detail for those who are open minded enough: http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

Will this post end the silliness about "Tax cuts causing the debt"..............if history is prolog.............not likely............but the info is presented yet again in rebuttal to be ignore by all who are true idealogues.

Just asking the questions, that's all... Read that article awhile back, some accuracy but still a bit opinionated. I'm in no way looking for the rich to pay everyone else's way, just wondering if the tax plan Romney has is going to be able to generate enough tax revenue, and still promote economic growth??? Just trying to fine something positive in this whole economic fiasco! Seems we get a lot of the "blame game", but no definitive answers from either candidate on what will work!

This whole campaign from both sides IMO has become so negative, that nothing seems to get said by either candidate about how things can be fixed! Maybe it's just the way of the world these days, the only way to make one guy look good is to make his opponent look bad??? President Obama's first four years have show improvement at a very slow rate, are we just sitting back expecting a miracle cure for this economic crisis that will fix everything overnight, or is there a way to hurry the growth along a bit? Jobs of course are the answer, but I still believe that removing a lot of the burdens the government has placed on small businesses would create more jobs then more tax breaks and incentives to the huge corporations...

The campaigns have also left out other issues I would deem important. Getting our troops the heck out of the Mid East where the countries were trying to help don't even want us there in the first place. Crime and the homicide rate in big cities. More efforts to keep drugs from pouring into this country from across our borders (and no, it's not just Mexico). Some sort of plan to give the poor an incentive to get out of the welfare life and become contributing members of society. Contrary to popular belief, the poor don't remain poor because they enjoy the life style!

Even on this forum, I'd sure like to hear something positive about Romney and his plans that actually makes him a viable candidate rather then just the same old "bad mouth Obama" stuff...... I'll never understand how complaining about the past and present has anything to do about making things better in the future!

Originally Posted by Matt167

Lets not forget, that is actually a 1 sided question. If your asking about presidential accomplishments, well the answer is none because he has not been President yet

Nope, never mentioned presidential accomplishments, just accomplishments. Bring 'em on!

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

... No poor people ever opened a business and hired hundreds of people??? Well, Dave Thomas, Ray Crock, Henry Ford to name a few have done it.

I don't think Henry Ford was ever "poor" and I'm not sure about the other two but I would think that none of them were poor when they hired "hundreds" of people. And I think Kroc bought McDonalds.. he didn't start it. I'm guessing he wasn't poor at the time.

Originally Posted by Mike P

“…….For instance, lets start at the bottom, item 20. Do you disagree with any of the items to support Vets that was accomplished under his time at the helm? And how does that compare with Mitt Romney?........”

Let me start off by saying I have a hard time voting for any candidate who will become Commander in Chief who has not worn the uniform of this country. I don’t believe that anyone one who has not been there can fully understand the implications of sending our service men and women into harms way.

So you are not voting for Mitt Romney then?

Originally Posted by Mike P

“……..20. Increased Support for Veterans ……”

Of course the while the present administration takes full credit for these reforms on one hand, his Department of Homeland Security issued a report that classified returning veterans as a potential terrorist threat. “…..the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups…..”

But I suppose that much like the results of the Libyan terrorist attack being the Secretary of States fault, this would have to be laid at the feet of the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

I believe that POTUS told us last night that he was responsible for that.

Originally Posted by Mike P

And while we’re on the subject, lets also mention number 4.

“…….4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011……”

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which set the withdraw of US forces from Iraq was negotiated by the Bush administrations and signed by president Bush.

Yes, but the Iraqi's didn't want the Bush plan, when negotiations were begun, they figured that Iraqi's would just take what they were given. However after awhile the news got out that the American demands were infuriating Iraqi lawmakers, some of whom wanted to kick the US troops out entirely.

It was Barack Obama's proposal that the Iraqis adopted as their own. They wanted the Barack deal, not the Bush deal.

Originally Posted by Mike P

…………………………………OR

“…….5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year…….”


I can’t help but notice that the peak number of troops took place just last year under the current administration.

True, but they are being withdrawn as well, that was the accomplishment.

Originally Posted by Mike P

…………………………Finally

“…….6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered……”

Do you really think that if anybody else had been president at that time that they would have done things differently? Do you believe that Obama had made some great change in the intelligence community that led to our finally being able to locate bin Laden?

Quite probably, but we will never know. All we know is that our POTUS did pull that trigger. Again, he gets the nod on this one.

Originally Posted by Mike P

But then again Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize and Romney doesn’t. That’s something I’m sure that has made an impact on how the Muslim world in general and Al Qaeda and the Taliban in particular view the US.

Hmmmmm, not sure about that at all, but love the sarcastic bend!

At risk of being repetitive, this type of discussion can only happen in a free country, God Bless America and our Armed Forces!

Originally Posted by herbet99

I don't think Henry Ford was ever "poor" and I'm not sure about the other two but I would think that none of them were poor when they hired "hundreds" of people. And I think Kroc bought McDonalds.. he didn't start it. I'm guessing he wasn't poor at the time.

All of them started their business on a shoestring. Crock and Thomas had both had numerous business failures before they became successful... I know of a lot of folks here locally (self included) who started with little more then a good idea and eventually started business and hired people. You don't have to be rich to start a business, just willing to do the work!!!! Did they hire hundreds of people the day they opened? Heck no, only the government is foolish enough to try something that ill advised!!!!!

BTW, what's the alternative? Waiting and hoping that some giant corporation hires you??? Lots of us were never cut out to belong in corporate America and started our own business because of what we wanted to do and how we wanted to do it.

Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer

Quite probably, but we will never know. All we know is that our POTUS did pull that trigger. Again, he gets the nod on this one.

Really?? I was not going to dive into this discussion again, but your statement about the killing of Bin Laden echoes the statements made by POTUS following the successful raid by Seal Team 6 - "I have killed Bin Laden!" and is one of the most offensive things any sitting President has ever said or done. This POTUS knows nothing about being a leader, and you can bet that he had speeches ready in the event that the raid was not successful, laying blame on the team, or their commanders for yet another botched attempt that "..I set up." It has been well documented that the statements made immediately after that raid, while we still had troops in harms way, with opportunity to leverage the events of that evening into a treasure trove of increased intelligence, put out front line team in danger. Those statements also put the families of Seal Team 6 in jeopardy, by publicizing the identity of the team involved. Did POTUS care? Apparently not, or if he even had a clue what he was doing he valued the continuing ,"I" statements more than he valued the men serving in the field, and the risk that he put them in by making his untimely announcements, claiming personal responsibility for the act itself.

As for withdrawing the troops from Afghanistan, once again POTUS is widely declaring that the justification for withdrawing the troops is that the job is done, and that the war on the Taliban and Al Qaeda has been won! Uncle Bob posted an excellent link to a very recent presentation by Lara Logan, whose insight into the situation on the ground in the Middle East is based on her personal experience, something POTUS does not seem to value. If you did not listen to it I strongly recommend that you invest twenty minutes to do so, and then explain why the withdrawal of troops is a good idea. "They" don't want us there?? Who is this mysterious "they", and more to the point, why should we care? The issue here is that there is a very real, very current war on terrorism going on, and killing Bin Laden simply cut off one head of the Lernaean Hydra, and it has been made clear that it did not end the threat. Did you hear the chants during the recent attacks on our embassies? The crowds were making fun of Obama, and his statements that he had defeated Al Qaeda by killing Bin Laden. Listen to Lara Logan with an open mind. She's an unbiased journalist who states clearly that she has no concern with who is POTUS, or what party is in majority, the war on terror is real - here's the link, to speed the search, Post 1216 - This Is Not A CraigsList Notice

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

All of them started their business on a shoestring...

I think you make a good point. I'm just not sure about your examples. Kroc (and I'm assuming we're talking about McDonalds Ray Kroc) bought McDonalds for $2.7 million. hardly a "shoestring". Dave Thomas was already a millionaire when he started Wendy's.

Yes, these guys worked hard to become successful (and rich) but did so before they started hiring large numbers of people. So yes, I would agree that we should do all we can to make it possible for "poor" people to work hard and become rich in the hopes they will eventually hire a lot of people. Who would then pay taxes (broaden the base)

“….So you are not voting for Mitt Romney then?....”

Just making an observation.

“….I believe that POTUS told us last night that he was responsible for that….”

He took responsibility for his Secretary of the Department Home Land Security classifying returning veterans as a potential terrorist threat? I must have missed that.

“……It was Barack Obama's proposal that the Iraqis adopted as their own. They wanted the Barack deal, not the Bush deal……”

And your reference for this is????


“…….Quite probably, but we will never know. All we know is that our POTUS did pull that trigger. Again, he gets the nod on this one……”

I couldn’t have answered this any better than Roger already has.


We do agree on one thing, it is a great country that allows open different view points.