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Let me document my dash gauges and my $15 Dodge seat which just fits the 1929 body with a little shortening of the legs.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Don,

Pat is taking the week off, Jerry let his ego get the better of him by posting what he did and if he continues will also get to take the week off. Honestly, it is nothing that should concern you.

As for his contention of posting pictures, in order to use the forum software which at this rev is buggy, the forum will have to go through another major revision. last time we did this there was a revolt and people who could not take the change left, some for a few days, some for a few months, a few have never been back because it was "their way or they were leaving".

Great picture by the way...


Bill S.

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Don,
contention of posting pictures, in order to use the forum software which at this rev is buggy, the forum will have to go through another major revision. last time we did this there was a revolt and people who could not take the change left, some for a few days, some for a few months, a few have never been back because it was "their way or they were leaving". Great picture by the way... Bill S.

Thanks for the heads up, I "think" we will go through the next revision better than the last one. If it makes us better?!?!?! Then let's do it!


Yes, Don S., great photos and thanks for the perserverance in getting them up here.

Originally Posted by 34_40

Thanks for the heads up, I "think" we will go through the next revision better than the last one. If it makes us better?!?!?! Then let's do it!


Yes, Don S., great photos and thanks for the perserverance in getting them up here.

Now all I need to do is convince Brent that he needs to spend 5 full days making it happen. Tough to do when you have a wife, kids, and a full time gig or two.......


Bill S.

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Now all I need to do is convince Brent that he needs to spend 5 full days making it happen. Tough to do when you have a wife, kids, and a full time gig or two....... Bill S.

I ( and many of us ) understand! And for the record thanks for all you do Bill!

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

note that that type of putty exudes acetic acid while it cures which might not be good for alternator windings.

I may be wrong, but I believe "electrical grade silicone" is safe around the insulation. Another approach might be to mill a piece out of thermal plastic, or possibly have it made on a 3D printer.

Nice picts!

36sedan,
I got a piece of scrap 3/16" Lexan but it is too thick without some carving. I will look into the "electrical" silicone.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientst/teen rodder

Another thought, on some alternators the backing plate can be rotated placing the connections in a better place. Check with the manufacturer, some have the instructions for this on their website.

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

36sedan,
I got a piece of scrap 3/16" Lexan but it is too thick without some carving. I will look into the "electrical" silicone.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientst/teen rodder

Don, if you can draw up some sort of a "blueprint' or diagram. Send me the plastic and I can mill off what you don't need... I "maybe" have a piece of nylon or uhmw that I could "donate" to the clause..... Sorry I meant cause!

36sedan, that is the best suggestion IF I can find the mfgr. AND the case can be rotated. So far I have not been able to find the mfgr. A label on the unit says: "P/N 13-8283 12V 60 A PASS" but a preliminary Internet search has not turned up the part which is a small unit with a vented case. I will try to track it down it down through parts stores. Off hand it may not have a rotatable rear plate but it is an interesting idea. Let me know if that P/N matches anything you know of.

34-40, thanks for the offer but that is a tall order requiring a 3 dimensional partial carve-out for the corner of the block. At this point some sort of electrical silicone looks like the best way to go but I have a very busy week with my summer job so it may be next week before I can mess with this. I have learned that running the electric water pump with only a mini 60 amp alternator is marginal so I may have to change the whole unit.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

34-40, thanks for the offer but that is a tall order requiring a 3 dimensional partial carve-out for the corner of the block. .

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

I thought it would be a good challenge for the lathe and mill and my brain cells.

The decision is yours of course and the offer stands.

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

36sedan, that is the best suggestion IF I can find the mfgr. AND the case can be rotated.

Here's what I found, appears to be pretty simple;
Depending on the original application, some units will have to be rotated to fit your particular application. The internal regulator connections are commonly found behind the upper mounting bolt or on one side of the alternator to make access to the harness easier. 10-SI alternators can also be rotated at 90-degree intervals in the event of clearance problems. This can be done by removing the four long through-bolts, which screw into the back of the front housing, and rotating the rear housing. You can also safely remove the rear housing and reset the brushes by retracting them and holding them compressed using a paper clip inserted from the backside of the housing, and then turn the case to one of four positions. After reinstalling the rear case, you can then remove the paper clip and the brushes will return to their contact position on the armature.

NOTE: The above instructions are for permeant magnet type alternators, yours does not look like one.

Don,

I think you have a Toyota alternator. Check this web page. I think the original manufacturer is RAYLOC, but Wilson makes a replacement.

Napa 13-8283 Replacement Alternator - Brand New

If you can move it to the right side of the engine---that cylinder head is set back about one inch further than the left head-----------


and a 60 amp won't be enough for an electric water pump, elect fans and a/c and lights-------

Thanks to all of you. My local NAPA shop identified the alternator as from Rayloc but I called them and found it cannot be rotated, thanks Henry. 36sedan gave some very iteresting information as to perhaps a replacment alternator that can be rotated. The trick would/will be to find the right size to fit in that small space. Finally Jerry is spot on again since the guy who installed the setup told me it was a 90 amp alternator, maybe he looked at the 6 from under the car, hah! Jerry has diagnosed what I suspected in that the problem is not a short circuit since several checks have confirmed no fuses are out. Instead I think that when the second fan kicks in along with the electric water pump there is simply not enough current. In fact I have monitored the dash voltmeter more closely and see it drop to amost zero when the car idles at a stoplight but bounces back when I gun the engine. I had a Zips high water pump on the engine with a 100 amp one-wire alternator before my run in with the transmission shop. I can do quite a bit of the setup details myself but needed help with the transmission and then the fun began so I won't go back to that shop, particulary since he lied to me about the amperage. Now I am pretty sure the problem is that the alternator is simply too small for the water pump load. If 36sedan can tell me the model of the rotatable alternator maybe I could check the size and plan a replacement. As Henry said the NAPA folks keyed in the P/N and it is certainy a Rayloc unit.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder