Thread: John Deere (and GM) says you don’t really own any vehicles bought from them

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John Deere (and GM) says you don’t really own any vehicles bought from them, You only have “an implied license for the life of the vehicle to operate the vehicle.”

John Deere (and GM) says you don’t really own any vehicles bought from them, You only have

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We Can't Let John Deere Destroy the Very Idea of Ownership | WIRED

What's the car world cumming too.

If one agreed with that line of corporate nonsense then it would now be illegal to modify the power train of a vehicle in any way that involves modification of the software, like putting on a super charger, or taking it to another level, boring & stroking an engine and changing out the cams for more performance, necessitating reprogramming the ECU. The guys like Superchips, who provide the means of tweaking the tune with their canned software patches, would be gone. I don't see this argument going far, even in the world of tractors.

Originally Posted by rspears

If one agreed with that line of corporate nonsense then it would now be illegal to modify the power train of a vehicle in any way that involves modification of the software, like putting on a super charger, or taking it to another level, boring & stroking an engine and changing out the cams for more performance, necessitating reprogramming the ECU. The guys like Superchips, who provide the means of tweaking the tune with their canned software patches, would be gone. I don't see this argument going far, even in the world of tractors.

If that's the case, they need to warranty, repair and maintain it for life.. I'm just the driver of their vehicle..

I am a GM of a John Deere AG/Construction Dealership, and, with regards to Deere, this is about the Information that Farmers CAN now obtain to increase Yields, it's not about modifying a Tractor (which is funny to me)-

It's about who owns that information, as many Farmers now Field Map, which can show them where they need to increase/decrease Water/Fertilizer/Insecticide to increase Yields. This fight has been brewing for over 10 Years, and is just now coming to a head (the issue is being forced by Deere)- I believe the farmer owns the info, btw-

Now, I've dealt with hot rodders getting more performance out of Tractors, but, they are few and far between-with that crowd, more HP is what they are looking for (in my experience), and, with the new Technology you just can't "hack" the PTC-

As far as repair, yes, our stuff is now very advanced, and you have to not only possess the equipment to diagnose the problem, you have to have the Training that goes along with it (Deere now requires 80 hours a Year per Tech, can be more depending on his specialty)-

Obviously the Author of these Articles doesn't understand the issue, or is out to sensationalize the issue (or get noticed-maybe both)-

Thanks for the clarification...

Originally Posted by 35WINDOW

Obviously the Author of these Articles doesn't understand the issue, or is out to sensationalize the issue (or get noticed-maybe both)-

I would go with the latter, BUT, I still want my cars warranted for life! LOL..