Thread: What a crazy fall~!

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Originally Posted by shine

i have a friend who lives in alaska and he says the permafrost is melting , river ice is going away too soon. they depend on snow and ice up there to get around. but to e it seems to be a shift in things. ocean temps seem to be doing more than anything else

Exactly, Shine. The oceans are the heart of the earth's thermal engine, and the source of most of the CO2 that swaps places as things cycle, absorbed as the oceans cool, and emitted as they warm. Shifts in the jet stream affect the temperature changes in different parts of the ocean, and also carry the termals to different land masses. It's a constant cycle, with so many variations that short term looks at data are of little value, other than for scare tactics. My $0.02....

Exactly so, Roger. If one stays basically in one region, and looks back over the years, you can see that there are patterns to the weather, not rigid, black and white, but general patterns over a span of a few years. I have not kept records, but in my lifetime living in the southwestern corner of the US, I have seen a few spans of years when there were hotter, and colder, wetter, and drier periods, and most folks just took them in stride. It has only been in the past couple of decades that the doom criers have gotten into the game and got people upset over things that will ultimately sort themselves out without the help of us mere humans.

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It's been said that "Global Warming" became a problem about the same time that the Berlin wall came down, and that it was "created" to give the media something new for the general public to fear, since they could no longer use the "red threat" and "war at any moment" for their sensational journalism. The BBC did an expose several years back, when Al Gore was still center stage with his rants, titled 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' that points out what they found to be the source of the new "problem", and how it became the battle cry of the press. It's a full length presentation, more than an hour, but IMO it was nicely done and informative. Funny we never saw it aired in the US....

Between Gore and Dupont, they're going to save the world. Or make us all broke.

Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe

Between Gore and Dupont, they're going to save the world. Or make us all broke.

Even Tipper figured out that Al was off the tracks years ago. DuPont? Didn't the troubled one die not long ago? I'm probably out of the loop.

Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe

Man, I tell you what. This fall weather is crazy. It's been so warm this entire time. We have had a couple of cold nights and cold rainy days, but this is so odd for this time of year. I have noticed way more deer, raccoons, possums, and other non domesticated animals getting hit on the roads this fall too. Way too many insects. Spiders, nats, mosqitos, asian beetles, you name it. Today we are having tornado warnings and I think one just touched down 45 miles away. Is this all a sign that the winter will be just a crap show? Cold and snowy etc?

Luckly here in Enn Zee it's just getting into summer!!

And down south here we don't get so many bugs etc anyway.

Ah yes, "climate change"...................ever ask one of those mindless adherents "So......tell me.......when was it in our planets millions of years of existence that the ideal climate we should work for existed?" Perhaps the image of the robot when asked a complex question responded "Does not compute......does not compute" comes to mind. More likely you'll get some form of vitriol in return, similar to some of the campus images of earlier this week.

Sadly relying on facts to rebut the dubious claims has proven to be mostly a futile effort. A wholly corrupt political/media cabal has the more powerful megaphone. There's a reason propaganda has been used so often, it supports the notion that "a lie told often enough becomes the truth". Regardless of facts or outcomes they continue to spew the falsehood because it works for their benefit.........and they have a lot of effort invested. I know, eyes will roll about conspiracy talk, but it's not a conspiracy when it can be demonstrated true.......it then becomes, if I may properly use an abused phrase............an inconvenient truth (sorry, I couldn't resist).

In support I offer a few examples. Every election cycle, and often in between, we hear about "unequal pay". All sorts of fallacious figures are trotted out.........fallacious because if examined carefully they show why the old expression "liars figure, figures lie" became an old expression. Point out that it was a bit over 50 years ago that JFK signed the "Equal pay for equal work" act. Picture the robot again. Add to that that the first legislation our current President signed was the "Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay" act as a follow up. And there have been others in the intervening decades. But still the grievance is trotted out whenever it's needed as a political club.............and will be in the coming year.............a ton.

Racism? Equal rights amendment put into law just over 50 years ago. Yet, it's STILL not a "problem" solved, even though a LOOOONNNNGGGGGG parade of politicians repeats the mantra....."Vote for me, I'll fight for you!"

Poverty? Yep, 50 years ago again........legislation to enact a "War on Poverty"...........trillions of dollars spent, but we still have streets full (don't we?) of starving children, or old people, or whatever other grievance group is convenient to pander to.

Healthcare? Okay, that one has legislation that only goes back about 6 years (unless you have sufficient memory or study to recognize that many of the "problems" in healthcare started......wait for it........about 50 years ago when Medicare/Medicaid was started), yet............you guessed it. Even though it was promised to ensure the uninsured (gee, just like 50 years ago) we still hear that 30 million are uninsured..........the same number approximately as 6 years ago. But rates have gone down, right? Ummmm, well, no, actually higher. But services are better for sure. Only if you haven't sought routine medical care (emergency/critical care may still be as good as ever, but too soon to tell). Those that are cynical might say it appears "Obamacare" was designed to fail. Perhaps, which means that this particular complaint theme won't make it to 50, but having caused all these problems, the political class will offer "single payer" as the solution (could it be this was the plan all along?). Because............the political class has proven to be so good at problem solving. Yeah, there you go, these guys have such a good record of problem solving (see examples above).

Again, these facts won't fly..........there's always a scape goat. The other political party, not enough funding (like trillions is too small a number?), or a bevy of others. Grievance is a human flaw, it will never go away, and will always be there to be exploited. The real question is; are there going to be enough sensible people to offset the ones who are easily misled? Your guess is as good or better than mine.

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

Again, these facts won't fly The real question is; are there going to be enough sensible people to offset the ones who are easily misled? Your guess is as good or better than mine.

Don't let my cycnical nature create a political thread!

But my opinion to the answer of the question is simply.... No!

We'll cut you some extra slack................being from Massachusetts and all..........

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

We'll cut you some extra slack................being from Massachusetts and all..........

Hmmmm... I thought Mike lived in Taxachusetts....

Boy, it sure was breezy over the weekend. It even blew a different convo in here.

Originally Posted by rspears

Hmmmm... I thought Mike lived in Taxachusetts....

I do... but I thank the Lord above that I don't have to suffer the taxes they pay in Rhode Island or Conneticut!

Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe

Boy, it sure was breezy over the weekend. It even blew a different convo in here.

Flew right over my head... Convo???

Originally Posted by 34_40

Flew right over my head... Convo???

Sure glad you said that....scratching-head-smiley-emoticon.gif

Originally Posted by rspears

Sure glad you said that....Attachment 64975

Rotflmao.. sure am glad you replied like that! HAHAHA