Thread: What the heck!

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I think that what is aggravating are those, generally in their first post, come on here with a $2000 budget and want to make 4 or 500 horsepower on the street. Or with a bunch of miss matched parts looking for the same thing and once they're told that it won't work and why they want to argue. I and many others have a problem with that as I have a hard time suffering fools and idiots no matter their age. Could be one of the reasons Pat McCarthy quit posting.
I am not an expert on anything and I leave that to people who are and we still have a few of them left here.
The old idiom is true "Horsepower = money How fast do you want to go".

Originally Posted by glennsexton

Five likes at least 34_40. True in a lot of areas of life. Best to write it several times, sleep on it an maybe just throw it away. I too appreciate this site - only one I really visit anymore. I disagree from time-to-time, but usually just let things go as there's no eternal consequences from anything I read here. My dad used to say, "The only thing that's the end-of-the-world is the-end-of-the-world. Be prepared for that and we can work everything else out."

Glenn, I must take a moment to say Thanks! I consider you one of the "Elder Statesmen" on this site and a kinda role model.

You have written so many excellent posts, helped so many others, and while I sometimes try to write as complete and technically correct a response as you... well. I've got a long way to go! But I did want to say thanks.

34_40, You sir just made my day!

My take is that there is a serious lack of decorum on many of the automotive forums these days. Some of the older timers take it personally and quietly walk away. In todays world, everyone wants what they want, and want it right then and there, they do not understand that not everyone is online 24X7X365.

The perfect example:

Sunday evening, 1:42am (forum time) I had a new user log in, and attempt to post his ricer for trade towards a hotrod. Clearly as a new user, you cannot post links, or pictures to the site. 8 F-bomb, wannabe gangster style filled attempts later (less than 15 minutes), I get the first of 4 PM "rants" demanding that the posts be approved,. 5:30am I log in to check on things, and see the first of his attempts, then his PM's to me. I explain in my first response that as a moderator I'll be happy to look at his posts to approve them if they do not go against the terms of use he agreed to when he signed up for an account. I did not even get a chance to read any of them before he responded in his same "me, me, me" language and F-Bomb intimidation mindset. Of course at this point, and without my first cup of coffee in hand yet (it was brewing I can assure you), I send him a copy of the terms of use, explaining that he'll catch more flies with honey, he sends back a rather terse WTF does that mean. Well, you know where this went, yup, BANNED for life. Quite frankly, I don't need to deal with such spoiled "kids", and neither do you.

I see more and more of this type of behavior in todays under 27 crowd. They are used to getting their way, connected online 24X7, and hate being told when they are wrong. With all of the online chat and such, they forget what it is like to speak with people online as if they are actually face to face like most of us did before the internet.

With that said, I would certainly hope that you would choose to ignore such forum "children" who are finding out just because they read something in a magazine, or online, or on another forum, that it does not always make it fact. Answers the questions posed as best as possible, and not let yourselves be drawn into the high drama, chip of their shoulder behavior that some of these kids bring with them. Remember, at one time we all were clueless, someone had to take us by the hand and show us what they real world was like.

I'm done, time for dinner with SWMBO.

Bill S.

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

I think that what is aggravating are those, generally in their first post, come on here with a $2000 budget and want to make 4 or 500 horsepower on the street. Or with a bunch of miss matched parts looking for the same thing and once they're told that it won't work and why they want to argue. I and many others have a problem with that as I have a hard time suffering fools and idiots no matter their age. Could be one of the reasons Pat McCarthy quit posting.
I am not an expert on anything and I leave that to people who are and we still have a few of them left here.
The old idiom is true "Horsepower = money How fast do you want to go".

And I guess what I'm trying to point out is that "we" don't need to suffer the fools and the idiots. The simple truth is that speed costs money, How fast do you want to go? There is no arguement, "we" just offer some knowledge, perhaps an opinion, we can't do anymore than that! You can't stuff the knowledge in Techs head into anyone else, so when he makes the time to write it all out, he can only offer it as a gift. It's up to the O.P. to accept it. And yes, I get upset like ya'll when that knowledge is rejected, but I have to let it go because it just won't change anything if I type out a bitter post.

The O.P. is the only one who can accept or reject a reply...

In the case of Tech and his expertise in developing horsepower with what parts. His replies are a gift and it can be a shame when rejected.. but none of us can change the O.P.'s desire or response.

I'm running out of words.. Long day at work. I guess I just want to say, don't go flaming each other ( we all know why Pat, Dave Severson & IC2 are gone) walk away and shake it off. Then return when things are cooler and remember what is real important. It ain't a car!

A great loss without those guys, but I understand why they left. It is so hard to walk a good peacefull line today without someone losing it! After going thru a divorce in the last 6 months, a person attack at work that jepordized my job, and a hunt for new housing which I was just accepted for my bid last week, my tolerance level has actually skyrocketed, as I see a broken world, and my angry response only hurts me, so I stick to my upbringing and treat everyone the way I'd like to be treated and let the little stuff go in pursuit of a more complete life. ( a life of respect and peacefull pursuit of speed continues!)

Good for you Steve! And congrats on the new job....
I can't agree on the broken world.. I remember my Dad and 1 of his brothers lamenting the end of the world.. it was 1969 and they used Woodstock, Kent State, Vietnam as examples that the world was broken and ending..

I was thinking but we landed on the moon! And we're still here..

Thanks 34-40, I actually still have my job, much to my Boss's displeasure, but it remains tenuous with a hostile work environment. I focus on my patients at work and not politics. My broken world comment is more of a personal perspective! California only adds to this!

Originally Posted by stovens

California only adds to this!

I applaud your perseverance, I left California in 72 when the gang bangers started killing little kids. What once was almost a paradise is now a desert.

Originally Posted by stovens

Thanks 34-40, I actually still have my job, much to my Boss's displeasure, but it remains tenuous with a hostile work environment. I focus on my patients at work and not politics. My broken world comment is more of a personal perspective! California only adds to this!

Oh, I see. I know that pain, 2 years ago my boss ( the prez.) says he doesn't see the value in my work! ( rut row ralph!) next thing you know I'm demoted and stuck into a "problem project" that eats managers in a 2 year period. I'm still there and my client and the state regulators are glad I am. So as long as they still respect me and the staff likes working for me.. I'll tough it out.

I hope you can as well.

Now you guys are making me smile! Here we are talking again and communicating like a family without calling each other names! I knew you were still here, thats the family I like!

Like all families we all get a little dysfunctional at times right? "We're" allowed that also right? LOL..

Now that I've spilled my guts all night.. let's go have that "discussion" about zinc in oil again!

Thx for the thankless time moderating.

Thx for the advice freely given.

Thx for the patience with my projects.

Originally Posted by 36 sedan

Now you guys are making me smile! Here we are talking again and communicating like a family without calling each other names! I knew you were still here, thats the family I like!

Get off my lawn.......................................................

Originally Posted by 36 sedan

Rhetorical;
I was hoping someone would see it and understand why they go to other forums for their answers.
We are what's wrong, we are the reason. Look at any of the current posts to see it.
We have stopped helping and become wrongsayers and lecturers. We have become the father that can not teach without belittling and proving others wrong. We no longer appreciate what others have to say, instead we lecture on how wrong they are. We no longer lead with wisdom, we expect others to follow just because.
We have become old and if we do not change our current path of thinking we will soon become extinct, the same as many generations before us have.
In short, we need to once again lead, not condemn. We need to help solve problems, not tear them apart. We need to stop arguing amongst ourselves. We need to once again remember, it's not what we say, but how we say it. It's time to look in the mirror.
In other words, just be kind, it's so easy.
I'm reluctant to post this, as some may read it the wrong way. Not meant to be disrespectful...

Here are my thoughts from a Newbies point of view (no ill thoughts or disrespect intended). You asked the question so I thought I would let you know what is going through the mind of a new poster (someone who was very excited at first to join the group and participate in the discussions with the goal of hopefully expanding my knowledge of Hot Rodding).

Here is a little information about me. I am 45 years old and fairly new to HotRod Community. I have always enjoyed cars my whole life. The first car I built was a 1966 Mustang Coupe that I build when I was in college. I kept that car for many years but ended up having to sell it for my family. Even though I sold the car I always missed having something to work on. Now that I am older and at a point in my life that a car project is more feasible, I was finally able to get back into it. My next project (started last year) was a 1985 CJ7 that I did a frame off restoration on. Once that project was complete I figured out that it wasn’t really the type of project that I wanted to keep so I sold it for my current project which is my 1937 Plymouth Coupe. I am a very hands on type of person and I have basic knowledge (not extensive at all) of cars and engines. When I don’t know how to do something I normally either ask one of my Friends (who have a very good knowledge of cars), buy a book and read up, or I turn to the internet (YouTube, Forums, etc). OK enough about me and here are my thoughts.

When I joined Club HotRod I really didn’t know what to expect. My plan was to share my experience of building the 37 Coupe through a build log and pictures. I assumed that there would be some people on here that might even have built a similar HotRod and I would be able to get help in finding parts and ideas. Believe me this project is bigger than anything I have even attempted before and I have a lot of questions on how things are built or done. For most items I have a basic premise of what needs to happen but I don’t necessary have the knowledge to do it yet (but I will learn and I will figure it out).

My first post was in the Newbie section to introduce myself (because that is what you are supposed to do and I wanted to follow the proper etiquette). I then moved directly to my Build Log. Once I got to the point in my build log about my engine it became evident very quickly that this is a very popular subject here. I quickly received a lot of advice and directions from people some of which was over my head. I am not complaining or faulting anyone but please look at this from my point of view.

I have only been here a very short time. I have never met any of you. I have never really spoken to any of you. I don’t know anything about anyone on this forum. I don’t know if you are truly an expert in your field or just a blow hard. I don’t know the amount of experience you have. I don’t know really anything about you or your knowledge. I am a Newbie remember.

I do know that what I have completed to date (on my engine) is not what you would do. I have been told this in many different ways (some very nice, some harder to swallow). I have even been told that the other people I trust (who I know very well and I know the level or their knowledge and their capabilities) are wrong. I have been told my thoughts are silly. I have basically been told that my engine (which is 90% complete) is a very bad set up and won’t work for what I need. Please don’t get me wrong I am not complaining about the help you are trying to give me and you very well may be correct. Although remember I don’t know anything about you or your talents and have I have just called out in a public forum on my lack of knowledge by a complete stranger to me.

Next thing that goes through my mind is do I want to continue here with my build log. I wonder if I am good enough/knowledgeable enough at Hotrods to post here. Maybe I am over my head with you folks. Will my lack of knowledge be embarrassing again?

Anyways just the thoughts here of a Newbie wanting to join the club.