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Tick, tick, tick, does anyone else hear something

Originally Posted by DennyW

Since you asked, yes I do. My right ear, I hear crickets, and my left ear, I hear a high pitched steady tone.
Since this is the lounge, I figured I would pass that on. Way to much in the field with no ear plugs, I guess...

Left ear=Tinnitus
Right ear=a nest of baby crickets

You are welcome

Now, just think about it for a minute. If guns were outlawed and nobody had access to them, do you think that this nutball in Las Vegas might have used industrial strength slingshots to deliver hand grenades into the crowd? Or poison gas cannisters? Mass murders are going to occur no matter the delivery system. I read recently about a Chinese man who strode into a schoolroom and killed 11 schoolchildren with a butcher knife. He used a butcher knife because guns are outlawed in China. What do you think the government should do next? Outlaw knives? After knives are outlawed, someone will take multiple lives with a piece of lumber. Do we then outlaw lumber? Anyone who wants to take the lives of others will always find a way. It's not about the delivery system, it's about the mental condition of the perpetrators. As long as there are human beings on this planet, there will be mass murders because we are a deeply flawed species.

Gun control advocates like to point to Australia as an example of gun control that worked. Well, one thing is for sure, it has worked well for those who would take advantage of a disarmed public, to wit:

Armed robbery up 69%
Assaults with guns up 28%
Gun murders up 19%
Home invasions up 21%

Which takes us back to this: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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Someone brought up the no fly list. On the face of it, that sounds like a good idea, but it's not without it's problems.

First, I don't think it would have made one bit of difference in this case. This guy had apparently flown under the radar all his life. I'm not even sure it would have made any difference in any of the recent cases, including those that involved people with Islamic leanings. So how can it be considered a solution? What does it really achieve? Making us feel good isn't a reason to deprive people of their rights.

Second, who decides who goes on the no fly list? What happens if your name turns up, even if by mistake? Suppose there are 2 people with the same name and the wrong one gets reported. How do you get off the list if you don't belong there? There should at the very least be well defined criteria to get on the list and very pro-citizen friendly way to get off if you don't fit the criteria.

These types of "catch word solutions" can cause problems of their own. That's the main reason pro-gun groups like the NRA have opposed the no fly list rules. You are basically guilty until you prove your innocence and that goes against everything our constitution is supposed to stand for. To my knowledge, no bills have completely addressed the issues I have brought up. It could cost you many thousands of dollars in legal fees to get back a right that should never have been taken from you in the first place. Since it's just about impossible to sue the government , you will never get that money back.

The various media outlets like to shout that pro gun groups don't want common sense laws, but they don't seem to want to report the reasons or they gloss over them as being non-issues. As if the government can be trusted not to ever do anything out of malice or make a mistake.

Chicago weekend--------a city with very strick gun laws-------9 dead, 54 wounded, 7 people in a drive by traffic incident

NO FLY list----------when flying, the crew is notified of armed people on the flight, people escorting prisoners, etc, and later years SKY MARSHALS------One of my flights had 16 sky marshals---------don't have any idea why------if they were protecting some people or there to defend against a group?????

i have no interest in owning a full auto . my ruger 223 is fine. why would i ever need a 30 round mag ????? not long ago i went into the woods to find dead trees to take down for firewood only to run up on a large group of hogs. did not have a gun with me but was able to avoid them . a 400 lb sow will charge a 2000 lb bull if she has a group of young with her . i carry my rifle at all times now with a 30 round mag in it and will until the hogs clear out some. even then it is hard to take down a large boar with it .

Originally Posted by Evolvo

Ah, Henry, there were 12 "bump fire stocks" that can be bought at any gun store. I'd never heard of them but they were reviewed on my local news tonight. With one of these I guess it's as good as an automatic. Sure sounds like one to me.

ATF: 12 Bump fire stocks found on Las Vegas shooter's guns - CNN

You totally missed my point. I was simply stating that the press (i.e. Google) was making assumptions, "reporting" without solid information, and that they, as well as you, were confusing automatic with semi-automatic weapons.

I seem to remember that in boot camp we were informed that by filing down the sear an M1 could be made to fire automatic. The problem was that it only held an 8 round clip and would have been partial to jamming. When the M14 was introduced it had a provision for a selector switch that would make it automatic and the M16 also has that feature and DennyW is more knowledgeable on the M16 than I am.
To put it bluntly many people can't handle a fully automatic rifle of 30 caliber or better because of the recoil. Take for instance a BAR or Thompson in the hands of many it wouldn't be long before they're shooting at the moon. Been there, done that.

Doesn't the M16 shoot bursts of 3 shots????

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

Doesn't the M16 shoot bursts of 3 shots????

I'm not sure Jerry, the last time I fired an M16 was in 78/79 and it didn't have a selector switch. Variations of it are still in use today, at least that's what my grandson tells me.

Denny I have purchased an Springfield M1a which is really just a M14 without the bayonet mount-someday we need to meet up and see if that will fit my rifle-

It looks just like that except for bayonet mount

I don't know if any of you caught on any news broad cast," the words" this is the "worst single person mass killing since the 1930's?" Evidently back then a man was really upset by his taxes being raised to support schools, so for the next year he planned and made bombs he hid at the local school(s?) until he finally killed a huge number of individuals setting them off, as people tried to get him he fired a round into his car and blew them and himself up!
Probably non of us have heard this story or any other non recent stories. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm afraid that between terrorists , outlaws and mentaly ill people stories will only continue as our society devolves. I am extremely saddened that anyone would just randomly plan and execute an attack like Las Vegas, on any scale to kill people for as yet no apparent reason. It seems the media continues to feed on extremism, which seems to fuel ill people to jump into the bandwagon and try to one up the last horror any way they can.
A coworker was talking with me about the shooting and pointing out the no guns no crime theory. I told her I grew up spending summers on my grandma's farm. I learned to shoot .22 rifles in boy scouts, went thru firearm safety programs and hunter safety , by time I was 12 or 13 I had my own .22. I was picked on in Junior High by a couple of Bullies. I owned a .22. NEVER and I mean NEVER did I ever think I could use my gun to solve this problem. The way I was raised with the value systems my family gave me, just never even made an idea of killing some one with a gun, a thought in my head.
Education , value systems, respect, and work ethics go a long way in shaping us to whom we become.
I am saddened where we are and where we are headed, but firmly believe responsibitlity starts at birth and at home.
I would hope that by reducing negative media and promoting news for good things people do and are capable of, maybe we can shift back attention for positive acts and not negative acts.

Yep, it won't fit-I was just dreaming-also don't want to talk much about what guns I have because I don't want FBI/CIA around here searching thru my stuff---