37 Ford build--IE: old Header issues thread /37 Ford/5.0/GT40P heads

[bluestang67]

They list the one with power brakes or only standard . Is that why you used a different mount you had.

[randyr]

They list the one with power brakes or only standard . Is that why you used a different mount you had.

Pete & Jakes offer this unit http://www.peteandjakes.com/blog/index.html
I couldn't use it because they designed it for both pedals to be on the engine side of the x-member. With my big block firewall, I didn't have room for both pedals in that location. I needed the pedals to straddle the x-member. I could have modified the P&J unit but I already had a pedal/mc/booster setup for my automatic trans which already fit my situation so I decided to modify it to meet my needs. I bought their bare pedals and fit them to my bracket and bent them as needed. I think it would also be fairly easy to modify the Pete & Jake unit to mount the clutch pedal on the other side of the bracket so that it is on the outside of the x-member. The P&J unit doesn't have a mounting plate for a booster either. I think it could be fabbed on if there is floor clearance for it. If that doesn't make any sense, scroll thru the pics a couple of pages back and ask me what you don't understand.

If you don't end up cutting your firewall very much, you might not have as many issues as I did in making something work. I actually used the pics you posted of your chassis with the '39 pedals to help me figure this thing out. I knew there had to be a way to get the pedals to go on either side of the x-member.

[bluestang67]

I see what you saying . What power booster bracket did you use . I will keep the original x member in the car . Man I can't wait till this car gets on the stands . Getting everything set up and glad you have these pics . I may be able to make a plate just haven't had the floor time under it yet.

[randyr]

I see what you saying . What power booster bracket did you use . I will keep the original x member in the car . Man I can't wait till this car gets on the stands . Getting everything set up and glad you have these pics . I may be able to make a plate just haven't had the floor time under it yet.

I started with a setup from ebay kinda like this one but from a different vendor http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1935-...Q5fAccessories

It included the booster & MC.

Here's a shot of another one without the booster & MC to give you a better idea how the bracket is made http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1935-...Q5fAccessories

I ended up buying 2 new pedals from P&J along with a new shaft which I had to cut to the length I wanted. There were some discrepancies with shaft sizes, pedal bushing size versus bracket size, etc which meant I had to spend a little extra at the machine shop getting everything to fit with the proper bushings etc. In the end I probably would have been money ahead to have bought P&J's whole kit and modified it to split the pedals. Live & learn.

I also had to mount the whole set up a little further back on the x-member to accomodate the pedal length and the setback from the big block firewall. You may not have that problem.
I can take better pictures of all that when I pull the engine back out again.

[bluestang67]

Randy pics then will be great . I can see this is the way I will go also since you have did such a fine tech article on this . I may be able to incorporate my pedals with a power assembly but either way I will mock off yours . My stock clutch cable I have has a 48" casing on it what is the length of the P&J you got . A design patent may be a thought from you here . People will be wanting these in the future all set up .


This will be a lot easier then making a firewall to mount hanging pedals and booster . Plus it will keep it more to a stock look , but way better clutch and braking performance .

[bluestang67]

Randy or anyone do you recognize these pedals . Sorry for bad pics was laying under car. Looks like they cut out a section of frame to get these in may not be original .

Randy these go thru the frame similar to what you did wonder if I could mod them to a power brake kit . Like all be cheaper then buying the pedal kit from P&J and then a power booster set to convert .

[randyr]

Randy or anyone do you recognize these pedals . Sorry for bad pics was laying under car. Looks like they cut out a section of frame to get these in may not be original .

Randy these go thru the frame similar to what you did wonder if I could mod them to a power brake kit . Like all be cheaper then buying the pedal kit from P&J and then a power booster set to convert .

Hey Bobby,
I'm not sure what they are but it seems like I remember when you posted pics of your frame several months ago that someone commented that the pedals looked like they were from a '39 Ford. Chassis Engineering makes an adapter for a power booster to fit the '39 pedals http://chassisengineeringinc.com/page61.html
As for the clutch pedal, you would need to flip that pivot arm around to the bottom to use a cable operated clutch because depressing the pedal would need to pull the cable instead of push it.

Sounds like this might work.....

[bluestang67]

Randy I may have mentioned it being a 39 frame since it has juice brakes but they may have been added also . Here is the above pic with no body . Yiou can click on it and use the zoom feature . Nope won't let you zoom from web shots this way .

[bluestang67]

Bobby,
It's a 40. I can tell because of the clutch linkage. 40's use a crossshaft and the rod comes right off the clutch pedal. On 39's the rod comes off the shaft to the right of the brake pedal and goes to a lever on the throw out shaft.
Gene

Ahh This guy says it is a 40 with the way the clutch assembly goes .So that would still work for it .

Randy you have been super help in me getting ready .

[randyr]

Ahh This guy says it is a 40 with the way the clutch assembly goes .So that would still work for it .

Randy you have been super help in me getting ready .

Cool! I'm glad to help!

[randyr]

Randy I may have mentioned it being a 39 frame since it has juice brakes but they may have been added also . Here is the above pic with no body . Yiou can click on it and use the zoom feature . Nope won't let you zoom from web shots this way .

Yeah, those are the pics I remember seeing months ago when I was trying to figure out what to do with my clutch pedal.

[bluestang67]

Well guys tore down the 351 for the 37 . Clean bearings must have been freshened up at some time . A little rats nest in one piston . Cylinders are clean but there is a ridge . Tomorrow I will bring home some snap gauges and measure them . Then I did a quick mock of the GT 40 P heads and valve covers I just picked up .

[randyr]

Well guys tore down the 351 for the 37 . Clean bearings must have been freshened up at some time . A little rats nest in one piston . Cylinders are clean but there is a ridge . Tomorrow I will bring home some snap gauges and measure them . Then I did a quick mock of the GT 40 P heads and valve covers I just picked up .

Hey Bobby, unlike myself, you're making some headway! You might want to double check those valve covers to see if they're tall enough for roller rockers. If they are for stock 351 heads, they might not work.

I've been a little sidetracked for the last month because I gave in to the temptation to buy myself a different daily driver. It's a 66 Ford F100 Custom Cab shortbed with the "economical" NOT! 352V8/auto. It's a great little truck and will be fun to cruise around in. I've busy upgrading to disc brakes & power steering. Will be back on the 37 soon, I hope.
Now, to hijack my own thread, here's a couple of pics of the F100 :

[bluestang67]

Randy I am going to do a mild build . Been searching on what cam I can run with the stock rockers and just changing springs . I have this one comp cam 456 lift with a 110" LS But I do want a Cammy sound but I really haven't found out the limits on the GT40P rockers yet . One site sbf as you know they say every thing needs to be done a lot of cash for that .




Guy I know here is selling a 63 that is clean only down fall someone at one time put a 194 chevy 6 in it . Is asking 2k but I know it could get for maybe 1500 . Shipping isnt to bad right now either .

http://www.chromeczars.com/board/showthread.php?t=2797

[randyr]

Randy I am going to do a mild build . Been searching on what cam I can run with the stock rockers and just changing springs . I have this one comp cam 456 lift with a 110" LS But I do want a Cammy sound but I really haven't found out the limits on the GT40P rockers yet . One site sbf as you know they say every thing needs to be done a lot of cash for that .


Guy I know here is selling a 63 that is clean only down fall someone at one time put a 194 chevy 6 in it . Is asking 2k but I know it could get for maybe 1500 . Shipping isnt to bad right now either .

http://www.chromeczars.com/board/showthread.php?t=2797

Yeah, Bobby, I saw your other thread regarding your engine build. There are definitely cheaper ways to do things than the sbftech guys recommend that will still work well for a long time and give you all the performance you need. I'm not really skilled in that area at all but I'm sure some guys who know what they're talking about will tell you what you need to know.

As for the F100, I already have one...I don't need another one! LOL! I don't like the bed on that '63 anyway. If I had a 61-63 F100 I'd want the shortbed unibody. I think those are cool. Also, what was the guy thinking when he put the Chevy 6 banger in it????

Hope to get back on my 37 soon!! In the meantime, I'm enjoying reading about yours.

Haven't heard from Dave in a while. You ok, Dave?? Did you guy get the interior in your car yet? You have some cruising to do this summer!

And what about you, Mike? What's up with you my friend? How's the ticker working?

Later guys.
Randy