37 Ford build--IE: old Header issues thread /37 Ford/5.0/GT40P heads

[406Rich]

A double flare will not have a raw edge at the end, you`ll see that it is rounded back into itself to the inside.

[35fordcoupe]

thanks Rich. With the description, yes the hard line is a double flare. Basically, the hard line going into the rubber hose like it is right now would look like this <> which I know won't work. I don't know what flare the hose is. Randy- I tried taking a pic of the rubber hose, but I'm trying not to open the sealed bag in case i have to take it back and I can't take a picture through the bag. I think the hoses are metric bubble flares? It looks like maybe I can get an adaptor fitting to make it work. Sound right? sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread Randy.

[randyr]

thanks Rich. With the description, yes the hard line is a double flare. Basically, the hard line going into the rubber hose like it is right now would look like this <> which I know won't work. I don't know what flare the hose is. Randy- I tried taking a pic of the rubber hose, but I'm trying not to open the sealed bag in case i have to take it back and I can't take a picture through the bag. I think the hoses are metric bubble flares? It looks like maybe I can get an adaptor fitting to make it work. Sound right? sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread Randy.

Hey, no worries about hijacking the thread. We have a hodge podge of things happening on this thread anyway. If we can get your questions answered, it makes us happy. I'm not overly familiar with fittings, adapters, etc. but they do seem to make an adapter for about everything. Maybe you could take the hose & the hard line to your parts store and see if they have a fitting that'll work for you. Or maybe one of these other guys can tell you which one you need. Keep us posted on what you find.

[35fordcoupe]

ok so I got it figured out. the camaro is all metric which I knew, but what I didn't realize is that there is a metric flare - a bubble flare. I picked up a couple standard inverted flare to bubble flare adapters. I forgot the banjo bolts so I'll have to go back, but at least my issue seems to be solved. Thanks for the help.

[randyr]

ok so I got it figured out. the camaro is all metric which I knew, but what I didn't realize is that there is a metric flare - a bubble flare. I picked up a couple standard inverted flare to bubble flare adapters. I forgot the banjo bolts so I'll have to go back, but at least my issue seems to be solved. Thanks for the help.

Cool! I'm glad you got it figured out. I don't remember if you said you're adapting the Camaro brakes to a 9" Ford or do you have a Chevy rear in your car?

It's always the little things that slow us down, it seems. Forgetting the banjo bolts sounds like something I would do....

[IC2]

.....now let's see..... the AN 37* adapter and next a conventional 45* double flare into then a metric bubble flare into the GM metric calipers

[35fordcoupe]

camaro brakes on a chevy 10 bolt. I had assumed your american brakes would be similar to my american brakes, but I forgot the camaro is metric so i guess our situations aren't quite as similar as I had expected

Dave- my lines are double flare so I have a 45* flare hard line into the 45* flare to bubble flare adapter into the metric hose to the caliper. If I had remembered about the metric calipers before buying the hoses I would have tried a standard hose with just a metric banjo bolt maybe?

[IC2]

camaro brakes on a chevy 10 bolt. I had assumed your american brakes would be similar to my american brakes, but I forgot the camaro is metric so i guess our situations aren't quite as similar as I had expected

Dave- my lines are double flare so I have a 45* flare hard line into the 45* flare to bubble flare adapter into the metric hose to the caliper. If I had remembered about the metric calipers before buying the hoses I would have tried a standard hose with just a metric banjo bolt maybe?

It makes me very happy that all four corners of my car have simple NPT to AN fittings which are American made Wilwoods as well as a nice Corvette clone master cylinder.

[randyr]

I'm sure it looks like I'm moving really slowly on this rear disc brake conversion but it takes a while for all the stars to align in the right phase of the moon....blahblahblah.....

Anyway, this week I acquired a LH anti-moan bracket and proceeded to modify it for my application. I cut off the factory clamp and fitted it to my 3" clamp. I tacked it in place then removed it for welding. I cut a little support piece and welded it all up and painted it. I could weld straighter if I could actually see through my freakin' mask! It's an auto-darken unit and soon as the weld starts, it gets really hard to see what's going on. Maybe I need a new helmet... Anyway, it's welded and I don't think it will break anytime soon. When the paint dries, I can mount it.

Also mounted the housing under the car today, hooked up the sway bar, etc. I keep thinking if I dilly dally long enough, a 9" pumpkin w 3.89 gears & traction loc will appear at a reasonable price. If it doesn't, I'll stick the old pumpking back in for now so I can get the car back on the ground and do other stuff...

[IC2]

Randy - it looks like we abandoned you!!

That rear end in the car - finally - really looks good.

[randyr]

Randy - it looks like we abandoned you!!

That rear end in the car - finally - really looks good.

I wasn't worried....I knew you'd come around eventually...

I'm glad to finally get the rear end back under there. I've debated just bolting the axles back in without the 3rd member until I can find the one I need but I don't know if that would screw up the wheel bearings if I rolled it around the garage very much. What do you think? Even if I put the old 3rd member back in I wasn't planning to fill it with gear lube. It would just be there to have 4 wheels on it.

Hope you got your brakes figured out. And hope your wife is feeling better...

[IC2]

I wasn't worried....I knew you'd come around eventually...

I'm glad to finally get the rear end back under there. I've debated just bolting the axles back in without the 3rd member until I can find the one I need but I don't know if that would screw up the wheel bearings if I rolled it around the garage very much. What do you think? Even if I put the old 3rd member back in I wasn't planning to fill it with gear lube. It would just be there to have 4 wheels on it.

Hope you got your brakes figured out. And hope your wife is feeling better...

I think I would probably put a little grease on the gears and slip that middlin' 80# block of iron in place with a few nuts. It probably wouldn't hurt the bearings with it out, but since I'm the cautious type dislike chancing damage to a hundred bucks worth of bearings for the sake of a few minutes.

I'm going to fix the caliper leak in the morning, then go through the bedding in process a time or two. After the discussion with Dave S and Steve and other and doing some thinking, I'm guessing that I never got enough heat in the brakes with the light car to do a break in.

My wife ....don't know! She had colon resection surgery 4-5 years ago, and has had occasional innard problems ever since. The surgeon's technique is suspect. Or maybe it's just a 'bug'. To her doctor in the morning.

[34_40]

I could weld straighter if I could actually see through my freakin' mask! It's an auto-darken unit and soon as the weld starts, it gets really hard to see what's going on.

Also mounted the housing under the car today, hooked up the sway bar, etc. I keep thinking if I dilly dally long enough, a 9" pumpkin w 3.89 gears & traction loc will appear at a reasonable price. If it doesn't, I'll stick the old pumpking back in for now so I can get the car back on the ground and do other stuff...

Looking good from here Randy! Does your helmut not have adjusters for shading and speed?? You can't weld it if'n you can't see it!

All in all, it looks great!

And I agree with Dave, unless you can keep the axle ends centered in the middle, don't roll the car around as you risk bearing damage. You could use a tube or pipe to accomplish this. Just needs to slip over the splines.

[randyr]

Looking good from here Randy! Does your helmut not have adjusters for shading and speed?? You can't weld it if'n you can't see it!

All in all, it looks great!

And I agree with Dave, unless you can keep the axle ends centered in the middle, don't roll the car around as you risk bearing damage. You could use a tube or pipe to accomplish this. Just needs to slip over the splines.

Hey Mike, that tube/pipe sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I have something that will work for that. To be honest, I think I'm going to have to replace the bearings anyway because one feels a little bit loose and the other seems to have a slight rough spot when you spin it around. That will have to wait till I get the right 3rd member, though.


As for my welding helmet, I've never seen an adjustment on it. It's supposed to auto darken and it's "powered" by light. It was $100 on ebay. It's definitely better than no mask at all but there are times when it seems like I'm welding by "feel" more than sight.....

Dave, keep us posted on the wifey. I hope it's just a virus and not a defective procedure or something!

[34_40]

Hey Mike, that tube/pipe sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I have something that will work for that. To be honest, I think I'm going to have to replace the bearings anyway because one feels a little bit loose and the other seems to have a slight rough spot when you spin it around. That will have to wait till I get the right 3rd member, though.


As for my welding helmet, I've never seen an adjustment on it. It's supposed to auto darken and it's "powered" by light. It was $100 on ebay. It's definitely better than no mask at all but there are times when it seems like I'm welding by "feel" more than sight.....

Dave, keep us posted on the wifey. I hope it's just a virus and not a defective procedure or something!

10-4 on the bearings / replacement. just measure the spline od, beg/borrow/"acquire" a tube or pipe with that id. somebody used to actually sell one I think...

Heck, even my 75 buck helmet has shade adjustments! That's a must! Mig/Tig isn't as "bright" or intense as stick welding. Hence the shade adjusting. Look around and try one, works wonders!

Me too Dave. Hope the wife is feeling better!