Thread: One Way To Build A '32 Hyboy

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A motor can either be an electric motor or an internal combustion or steam engine.

As an example I give you Motor Home.

An engine on the other hand converts energy and thus excludes electric motors; engines are associated with internal combustion or steam. Electric motors convert electric power to motion.

I thought we were gear heads, not motor heads?

Ken I am sure enjoying your build!

Kitz

I guess a whole new glossary of terms would have to be adopted:

No more motor boats, they would be engine boats.

Same with the motor homes you mentioned.

And, "I'm going to engine into town tonight."

Ford Engine Sport parts.

Chrysler guys would buy enpar speed equipment.

A Harley would become an Engine Cycle.

Ad nauseum...........


Don

See Ken, these threads kinda wander a little sometimes. Wait til the cats and Uncle Bobs pictures start showing up!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by IC2

Ken,
Are you going to post some pictures and description of the front suspension? I see that it is mostly (or all?) inboard. Is it your design or a commercially available unit. I have a TCI IFS on my '31 and while it's nice, really doesn't have much in the way of appeal. It will be under that car forever, but there is always the next one......

Oh yeah, when I went through some of my early engineering courses, the instructor made sure we knew the difference between a motor and an engine . I think the NA$CAR redneck syndrome took over.

IC2-The front end is a Kugel. I chose his because I wanted the front of the "A" arms to be straight across the front of the car, I didn't want them angeling back like a regular a arm. I hope that makes sense.
I also wanted in board shocks and he didn't make his front end that way(Now he does).
So I bought a set of his rockers and made the mounts (they match my motor mounts) made the bottom shock cross member and new mounts on the control arm. In the one photo you can see the old mount cut off.
Ken

Thanks for the information Ken. I do know what you mean with angling back of a standard A frame - it looks awkward on a fenderless car, especially. Your assembly really cleans up the front end of a hiboy that has an IFS. I do like IFS, but the conventional TCI/Heidt's, etc just has too much claptrap hangin' out in the breeze. Waiting for more

The other thing I dislike about independent front ends on fender less cars is that big cross member to mount all that stuff. When I decided to do this one of the parameters was to only do this if I could get rid of, most of that cross member. If you look at the rendering that is what I wanted to see before I made my mind up. The 1" tapered channel of the body, allowing the grill shell to be dropped so radically and still have the body lines perfect. The more you drop the grill shell the wider it gets then if you mount the head lights to the upper control arm bolt on the frame it pretty much hides that ugly necessary thing.
Ken

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

I guess a whole new glossary of terms would have to be adopted:

No more motor boats, they would be engine boats.

Same with the motor homes you mentioned.

And, "I'm going to engine into town tonight."

Ford Engine Sport parts.

Chrysler guys would buy enpar speed equipment.

A Harley would become an Engine Cycle.

Ad nauseum...........


Don

See Ken, these threads kinda wander a little sometimes. Wait til the cats and Uncle Bobs pictures start showing up!!!!!!!

Oh No!

All I can say is WOW!

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

The other thing I dislike about independent front ends on fender less cars is that big cross member to mount all that stuff. When I decided to do this one of the parameters was to only do this if I could get rid of, most of that cross member. If you look at the rendering that is what I wanted to see before I made my mind up. The 1" tapered channel of the body, allowing the grill shell to be dropped so radically and still have the body lines perfect. The more you drop the grill shell the wider it gets then if you mount the head lights to the upper control arm bolt on the frame it pretty much hides that ugly necessary thing.
Ken

I do have to agree with that point with the fact that the big cross member and attaching structure is not very appealing on a hiboy. Fortunately for me, I did choose to build a full fendered car - which in Upstate New York is really a good idea with the usual weather we have. I'm attaching a picture of my TCI IFS so others can see what we are talking about (someday I'll wipe down the dust from the chassis)


I've seem many channeled cars where the builder will just cut off the bottom of the grill shell, leaving a truncated, IMO, mess with the radiator often hanging below the bottom. The grille then is out of proportion.

The rendering shows the car with hood sides - will you be able to run them with the brackets mounted where they are and the push rod running up to the bell crank?

Yes, everything will fit behind the hood. To make things more difficult I'm going to make the side panels in one piece. Normally (or normal people) split it around the push rod so it's easy to get the side panels off. I don't want that extra parting line on the side panel. So to remove the side panel I will have to take the weight off the suspension and remove the bolts holding the push rod in and then take the side panel off. This gives me the opportunity to screw up my paint job every time I take them off

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

Yes, everything will fit behind the hood. To make things more difficult I'm going to make the side panels in one piece. Normally (or normal people) split it around the push rod so it's easy to get the side panels off. I don't want that extra parting line on the side panel. So to remove the side panel I will have to take the weight off the suspension and remove the bolts holding the push rod in and then take the side panel off. This gives me the opportunity to screw up my paint job every time I take them off

Interesting - looks like in your 3rd picture that the bell crank will hit....but pictures can be deceiving

Once you get any bugs wrung out, you shouldn't have to pull the sides off but very seldom anyhow - every 75-100K to change the plugs, maybe??

I posted this before, for someone that talked about LS engine radiators. This is the one I had made by a local radiator shop. It's two radiator cores next to each other with a common tank at the top. The two threaded bungs at the bottom are for the drains. There is an air relief valve at the top front to bleed the air off, yes i have to take the grill shell off to bleed it but I thought it would be worth it to keep the tank clean looking in the engine compartment. They put 90 degree inlet and outlets but that will be changed to straights.
The grill shell frame work is bolted to the frame then the radiator is bolted to the frame work along with the shell. I do this to take some of the shock away from the radiator. It probably doesn't but it's the way I have always done it.
Also I will make a filler piece to cover the gap between the grill shell and the fan shroud.
Ken

This is the gas tank I made for the car. It was started with a trip to a Arts and Craft store. I just bought a bunch of different sizes of Styrofoam and some glue. Then fit and cut and glues it together. Made a drawing of the buck took it to a plasma cutter then welded it together.
Ken

This is what it looks like in the car.
Ken

Nice tank Ken, it looks like aluminum? How thick, .090????

Thanks Dave, close it's .120. I'm going to mount the fuel pump in there so I thought I would make it a little heavy. I'm sure its over kill.
Ken