Roger-I don't mind buying a bead roller.I do have enough work on other projects that I should own one and the shop in Buffalo is too far away to drive to just to use that one.Cool thing is we just got done talking about how to reinforce the ones from HF to make them work like they should.Oh,as the saying around here goes,I do own a pair of flange pliers.It seems someone else needed more than I do because they are MIA.So was my 100 cleco's which I just spent about $50. to replace.Grrrr

When I look at the E-Wheels at HP it seems they have alot of slop in the dies.I mean they do move around back and forth alot.I don't know how that effects the pc your working on??.I had heard the main reason why HP E-Wheels where junk was because the way they are built they twist and there again I am not sure how that effects the pc your working on.I do think I have a eye for metal working to pound out a curve,but in the same hand I also think it is very hard to get the same smooth curves you get with a E Wheel.So it isn't beyond the possibility of me buying one because it would get used with all the projects I have to do.