Thread: '38 Ford deck lid vs 37 Ford deck lid

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Originally Posted by 34_40

Well, I guess I'll be your cheerleader again 'cause that lid came out real nice considering what you started with! Your doin' great and I'm sure you can improve the condition of the lower piece(s)!

What is this Rust Bullet your using? Have you used it before?

Watching you has me considering doing my uncles 48 F-1.. it's not near the level of work your doing, that's why I'm thinking of giving it a go.. we'll see what happens.

Thanks, Mike! At least the "skim coat" won't be 1/2" thick in places like it was before!

As for the Rust Bullet, it's a rival product to POR15. I've used it on a couple of things and it seems to be pretty strong I guess. I'm not totally convinced that any of these types of products are any better than a good epoxy primer but since I had a can of this and it's brushable, I decided to try it on these inner parts. Here's a link: Car Rust Protection, Repair, Prevention by automotive car paint

The '48 F1 sounds fun. Got any pics? What are the plans for it?

Originally Posted by randyr

Thanks, Mike! At least the "skim coat" won't be 1/2" thick in places like it was before!

As for the Rust Bullet, it's a rival product to POR15. I've used it on a couple of things and it seems to be pretty strong I guess. I'm not totally convinced that any of these types of products are any better than a good epoxy primer but since I had a can of this and it's brushable, I decided to try it on these inner parts. Here's a link: Car Rust Protection, Repair, Prevention by automotive car paint

The '48 F1 sounds fun. Got any pics? What are the plans for it?

When it's called a skim coat, it really should be IMHO..

I'm not sold on products like POR15.. just skeptical by nature.. I wonder what really happens under the covering??

The 48 F-1 is my Uncles P.U., it has some rust coming through and I'm sure the bondo is/was as thick as what was on the back of your car.. maybe WORSE! Pics? No, not yet. I'll need to let my uncle decide if he wants me to tackle this (probably) over the winter, while he's vacationing in Florida.

Originally Posted by 34_40

When it's called a skim coat, it really should be IMHO..

I'm not sold on products like POR15.. just skeptical by nature.. I wonder what really happens under the covering??

The 48 F-1 is my Uncles P.U., it has some rust coming through and I'm sure the bondo is/was as thick as what was on the back of your car.. maybe WORSE! Pics? No, not yet. I'll need to let my uncle decide if he wants me to tackle this (probably) over the winter, while he's vacationing in Florida.

I hear ya on all of the above!! However, since rust kinda needs air & moisture to grow, if the product seals it completely and if it's not too far gone to begin with, maybe it works out ok for some areas, especially when replacement parts aren't readily available. I'll let you know in a few years....

Here's a couple of pics of an F1 I saw last year at the F100 Western Nationals. I really liked everything about it except the Chevy engine....
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Randy - I'm with Mike on the POR15/Rust Bullet skepticism. I feel that it will slow down the rust process, but the very fact that rust is iron oxide (Fe2O3)says that the entrained oxygen and ANY free water molecules, will continue eating, tho at a slower rate - unless there is significant water droplets, then it goes fast.

Originally Posted by IC2

Randy - I'm with Mike on the POR15/Rust Bullet skepticism. I feel that it will slow down the rust process, but the very fact that rust is iron oxide (Fe2O3)says that the entrained oxygen and ANY free water molecules, will continue eating, tho at a slower rate - unless there is significant water droplets, then it goes fast.

Like I said, I agree with both of you in the skepticism, however, if I cut out & replaced every slightly rusty bit of metal on this lid, not only would I be working on it for a lifetime but I would also be replacing about half of it. It will never again be exposed to the kind of weather that a daily driver gets so I think I'll be good for many years on this. I'm certainly not promoting the product, I'm just letting you guys know what I did.

Randy - with pitting, you can often get back to white metal with just a media blast, grinding or maybe wire wheel cleaniing. You will still have pits, but they can be then epoxy primed and sealed for rust protection, then filled with plastic or even sprayable poly filler if only minor. You wont have to replace any metal except what what was crunchy rust and now a hole after blasting

Originally Posted by IC2

Randy - with pitting, you can often get back to white metal with just a media blast, grinding or maybe wire wheel cleaniing. You will still have pits, but they can be then epoxy primed and sealed for rust protection, then filled with plastic or even sprayable poly filler if only minor. You wont have to replace any metal except what what was crunchy rust and now a hole after blasting

Yep, Dave, I agree with all of that, too, but media blasting wasn't a viable option on this deck lid for far too many reasons to list here, but I did sand, grind & wire wheel every reachable surface before applying the Rust Bullet. I also did a complete washdown with SPI wax & grease remover first. In fact, the ONLY reason I used the Rust Bullet in this case is because it's brushable and I already had it. My intention was to coat only the inside of the skin and the backside of the support structure before I welded them back together. I didn't want to mask off the garage & mix up the epoxy just for that. It will get an overall epoxy coating on the entire lid anyway before the additional body work happens.
I cut out and replaced the crunchy corners of the lid and a section of the inner structure earlier in the thread.

I guess this will be an experiment to see how well the stuff works. That fact that it's coated with anything will be better than the factory did. These pieces were originally welded together with no coating and the inner parts were only protected by the insulation that was sorta glued in.
As always, thanks for your input! I promise we're on the same page even if it looks like I picked up a different book for a moment....

Originally Posted by randyr

Here's a couple of pics of an F1 I saw last year at the F100 Western Nationals. I really liked everything about it except the Chevy engine....

Hey, thanks for those pics! That is one NICE ride! With that shiny radiator, you can't even see a bow tie!

Originally Posted by 34_40

Hey, thanks for those pics! That is one NICE ride! With that shiny radiator, you can't even see a bow tie!

Yeah, it's pretty cool! On my computer, the pics have a little purple cast to the gray paint, but in person it's totally gray. I liked it so much it's made me add gray to the potential colors for my '37!

Originally Posted by randyr

Yeah, it's pretty cool! On my computer, the pics have a little purple cast to the gray paint, but in person it's totally gray. I liked it so much it's made me add gray to the potential colors for my '37!

Really?!?! 'cause on my computer it is purple! Now I'll have to go back for a "re"-look...

Originally Posted by 34_40

Really?!?! 'cause on my computer it is purple! Now I'll have to go back for a "re"-look...

Yeah, the truck is actually like a gun metal gray...

I will put on my cheer leading out fit also ( dont get a mental pic ) . Randy the deck looks great from what you started with . I think a English wheel set loose on the tail panel would roll out most of that , this I would like to try the theory .

You keep plugging away and you will have it in paint sooner then you think .

I picked up the Cougar Sunday played a bit till it started , made a lot of racket like the trans is loose . The owner said the guy had started to pull every thing so it may be . I work with him so his word is good . He said they bought it in 1978 , his wife had a little accident . She started to have it redone by a guy same story it sat and they brought it home . But he also said it's been sitting almost 30 years .

Got it home and put power to the top , It's been down the whole time . It came up Hydraulics still work strong but top shrunk bad had to use a strap to pull it down and lock it . After sitting all night some of the seems are opening up LOL . Glad tops are cheap $250 .


Not to high jack a little pic

Originally Posted by bluestang67

I will put on my cheer leading out fit also ( dont get a mental pic ) . Randy the deck looks great from what you started with . I think a English wheel set loose on the tail panel would roll out most of that , this I would like to try the theory .

You keep plugging away and you will have it in paint sooner then you think .

I picked up the Cougar Sunday played a bit till it started , made a lot of racket like the trans is loose . The owner said the guy had started to pull every thing so it may be . I work with him so his word is good . He said they bought it in 1978 , his wife had a little accident . She started to have it redone by a guy same story it sat and they brought it home . But he also said it's been sitting almost 30 years .

Got it home and put power to the top , It's been down the whole time . It came up Hydraulics still work strong but top shrunk bad had to use a strap to pull it down and lock it . After sitting all night some of the seems are opening up LOL . Glad tops are cheap $250 .


Not to high jack a little pic

Cool, Bobby, it's even got some Cragers on it!! It's gonna be a sweet ride!

Thanks for the kudos on my lid! Now, if I only had an English wheel to work on that pan....

Randy those are copy cats , Rockets and Westerns I have em for rolling stock , kept them from the Mustang . This will be barn stock for a while , mustang then 31 . Of course the rear 60's clear the cougar and not the mustang wheel wells .

Randy the work on the lid is great , you did take it to a skim and thats great . I think a English wheel would make the panel work a lot easier . I think one of these days I will get one from H F .

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Originally Posted by bluestang67

I will put on my cheer leading out fit also ( dont get a mental pic ) . .

Too Late... where's a sharp pencil when you need one? I didn't need that eye!

Originally Posted by randyr

Yeah, the truck is actually like a gun metal gray...

That is a marvelous color/paint! I wish I had seen it in person.