Thread: Meller's "Last" Hoorah - '62 Fairlane

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If for no other reason except to keep the furry four legged friends from lapping up the antifreeze, I think I'll "Jerry Rig" something that catches it anyhow and if it's oddly different, like a Maalox bottle, then that's even better. Might be a pretty good way to monitor the coolant loss also.

Sure do wish it was Fall so I could play with it all day instead of just in the mornings but it's too hot after that right now in Tejas.

Seems to me that the tanks starting coming out on OEM's right around the mid to late '60's, and they were quickly seen in "universal" kits for retrofit to the older cars. Though they may not be as critical for a vertical core, I believe that they increase the overall heat capacity of the system by increasing the volume of coolant circulated; and they also eliminate the coolant/air interface in the tank to help reduce corrosion in the engine. IMO they're a good thing, necessary or not.

The mid sixties (and some later 50s) tanks were expansion tanks---they were plumbed into the system between the t stat housing and upper rad inlet--------The coolant recovery tanks came about with the emmission control era where the OEMs started running temps up to the 195 temp area for emissions--then, also radiators started to become cross flow and the problem of air in the coolant became a factor------

Found me a cool overflow bottle and it's Ford Blue and White. It's even got a handle and hanger for easy removal and replacing. Then the radiator can "P" all it wants to.

Boy I've had to used that over flow bottle a few times, and I wasn't even hot

My Wiffy looked at it and said "What's that?" I replied it's a Guy Thang ! hahaha

No women allowed

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

The mid sixties (and some later 50s) tanks were expansion tanks---they were plumbed into the system between the t stat housing and upper rad inlet--------The coolant recovery tanks came about with the emmission control era where the OEMs started running temps up to the 195 temp area for emissions--then, also radiators started to become cross flow and the problem of air in the coolant became a factor------

Gee Jerry, thanks for the information but I think that we know the difference between an expansion tank and a coolant recovery tank I'm likely off on the year, but what I remember clearly is the translucent plastic universal coolant recovery "kit" that included the bottle, a length of tubing to replace the radiator overflow tube and another section for drain, a few little hose clamps and a new radiator cap for about $10 at the auto parts stores. The "universal" kit came out very shortly after the OEM's added them to their new cars, and not just on cross flow radiators. Regardless, it's not worth any further discussion, especially in Em's Last HooRah thread! I'm done.

Love the choice of coolant catcher there EM! Great choice! Somehow, just seems fitting about now too! ROFL...

OK Everybody listen up----I have been trying to add to the info in this thread on the cooling issues with Em's car---I seem to have hit a nerve with Roger over types of cooling systems and the dates they were first seen --------So---I'll drop the dates we saw what come from the factories-------I'll drop any discussion about how to get coolant in to a system without air lock---I'll drop discussion about total cooling loads of engine/trans----Hell, I'll just go back out to the garage and work on this 1971 Boss 351 Mustang for the upcoming show down at Indy. If you regulars have any questions you can PM me----------I'll check back for PMs every few days,but I'm about done here--Roger has been a very big help to me with posting pics from races, shows and shop, and I thank him from the bottom of my heart, but I'm upsetting him so I'll move on---Its been enjoyable and I've enjoyed the feedbacks and the likes I have gotten---but for now I'm taking a time out--------

Took her out a couple of times this evening and 190 was the average running and idling temp - - - - ran down the road to the gas station and when I shut her down it went to 210 but as soon as I finished gassing here and cranked it was back to 190 again. Let her sit for 30 minutes at the house and then cranked up and ran to the mailbox - - - - same old boring 190 just put put putting along. Calling the muffla man on Wednesday and see if I can get in line.

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

OK Everybody listen up----I have been trying to add to the info in this thread on the cooling issues with Em's car---I seem to have hit a nerve with Roger over types of cooling systems and the dates they were first seen --------So---I'll drop the dates we saw what come from the factories-------I'll drop any discussion about how to get coolant in to a system without air lock---I'll drop discussion about total cooling loads of engine/trans----Hell, I'll just go back out to the garage and work on this 1971 Boss 351 Mustang for the upcoming show down at Indy. If you regulars have any questions you can PM me----------I'll check back for PMs every few days,but I'm about done here--Roger has been a very big help to me with posting pics from races, shows and shop, and I thank him from the bottom of my heart, but I'm upsetting him so I'll move on---Its been enjoyable and I've enjoyed the feedbacks and the likes I have gotten---but for now I'm taking a time out--------

C'mon Jerry, it matters not even a little bit if you're "upsetting" me, so don't try to lay the blame on me for your decision. I'm just one of the only guys who doesn't back down when you start diverting a thread with general "factoids" after getting called on tasting a bit of your own shoe leather. We're all trying to help Em get his Fairlane right, and your advice to "...backfill the system through the upper radiator hose" was bogus, but rather than simply saying, "Oops, forgot you had a stat installed and don't want to pull it..." we got into a historical discussion that helps no one. My opinion is that a coolant recovery tank will give Em more coolant volume, remove all air from the system, and generally be a better, more reliable system than just running a puke tank. No discussion about cross flow radiators, why OEM's installed expansion tanks in the early days, or anything else. Plain fact, my opinion is that a properly sized coolant recovery tank with the right pressure cap is a plus for every radiator running.

I hope you reconsider your "time out", but if not it's your decision and should not have anything to do with me being happy, unhappy, or not giving a damn, and for the record the latter is the case at this point in time. We're all big boys & girls here, or at least we're supposed to be.

Sorry for the hijack Em. I'll back away from this thread from this point forward. You're in good hands with others that are helping sort out the wheat from the chaff on getting your issues sorted out.

Originally Posted by rspears

I hope you reconsider your "time out"

If I may quote your own words, my valuable internet friend ?

I hate to see anybody get upset trying to help me out and, as I've mentioned before, I value ALL comments and suggestions but my follow up is ALWAYS based on 1. understanding 2. ability 3. pocketbook and all 3 of those especially #2 is very limited sometimes. My late great Drafting Supervisor used to tell me "If two people agree 100% on every thing all the time then one of them is not needed" and I don't believe we will ever have that here on Club Hot Rod IMHO, that's a good thing

However, it does kinda bother me that neither of you commented on my "P" bottle.

Perhaps it's appropriate - better than a catheter. I don't care if I never see another one of either of them, though.

I guess because it's a Pee Trap!