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Don
Realy nice color Anything RED is COOL. Bet your getting ancious about now.
Charlie

Wow..........really great looking color and paint job. Chrome parts are really going to pop against this color. Looks a mile deep, too.


Don

Nice job Don. It's cool when a project comes together.

looks great! don i can see you going down the Blue Ridge Parkway now. with me trying to keep up.

lt1s10, I might get this roadster on the road yet and then try visiting some folks like you who are not too far away. I just came up I-77 on Sunday from a trip to Biltmore with the wife in my Sunfire. I-77 was almost deserted on Sunday and it was mighty fine driving. We had lunch in Staunton before swinging East on I-64. In Staunton we parked next to a brand new Impala with a V6 and that new Chevy orange color; the owner said he only was getting 18 mpg with the V6 but the car looked good! Well even after getting the body together, there are still a lot of odds and ends like a fuel line and a lot of wiring but seeing the body together will help stimulate work to the finish. I talked to the tech guy at Brookville and he said they routinely use a GM column with turn signals to the brakelights in the rear, so I have to ponder over that situation a little more because it would look best, IMO, to just have the stock tail lights and wink the brake lights for the turn signals. I'll look into the trailer-light relay idea and get something to work. Thanks again for looking up the Camaro column circuit.

DennyW, I checked out your page on the shroud and have bookmarked it, thanks for the reference.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

thats what you call taking the long way around to get to Baltimore i really like that maroon. you luck is like mine. 99.9 % of GM cars the brake lights goes through the turn signals, and you had to pick a column that didn't. that trailer relay may be the way to go.

Great color for the roadster, Don, excellent choice!!!! It's really going to be a gorgeous car when you get it put together.....

That Is a very cool red, it has some awesome depth.

LT1s10, you are jiving me. We went to see Biltmore, the huge restored Vanderbilt mansion in Ashville NC, and I was just trying to say that to go thorugh Raleigh-Durham on I-40 is almost as bad as going to DC on I-95, but the shorcut on I-77 past Lynchburg in your neighborhood after the turn on I-81 was really nice. I'm lining up the second part of the paint job on the fenders and running boards for later this week. It is clear that I had to farm out the paint work but it looks good so far. The sprayer's name is Kenny Bishop and he has done some nice work on Mustangs in the past but apparently not many early cars. There are a lot of restorers in this area but they go strictly by the original color charts. The shop owner is Haskins Ramos and he has done excellent repair work for me on insurance claims in the past and they do an occasional sports car like a blue Corvette they recently finished, but this week he put my car body out front to attract business. Funny thing is in the daylight the car looks just like a dark red/maroon but not as dark as in the shop or as light as with the camera flash, that paint will definitely look different in different light. Now I am going to have to work this summer to pay for the paint job, but that is OK, I do what I know how to do and Kenny does what he knows how to do.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder

Don
Is there pearl in the paint? That usualy is what makes it change colors with light. I put it in every car I've paint

Thanks for you interest cffisher. Gee I don't know, all I can say is the formula was m8237a out of PPG. I looked at a pegboard of close to 1000 color chips and wanted a maroon red and it came with three differents size particles in it and the shop recommended the fine particles, but I thought they were fine metal chips. Maybe it is pearl. What is "pearl" anyway? I saw the formula on the computer screen but I don't recall seeing "pearl" mentioned. I was surprised to see there was more than a little purple in it; I guess that is how you make red into maroon. I like the daylight dark red very much but it will be interesting to see what it looks like under a sodium arc street light. As I have said before in this Formum, my pride and joy in high school was a '47 Ford convertible painted the Cadillac "Aztec Red" and it was such a bright orange-red that it made your eyes tired if you looked at it too long, but the point is that color really looked different under sodium arc street lights and different again under the mercury arc type street lights. Well it's going to be fun!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder

you car is looking good Don, but I would have went up I-95 to get to Baltimore. you were just riding around. "pearl" is ground up pearls (oysters type) mixed with the paint.

Ground up Pearls! Damn, no wonder it's so expensive!

Well it is expensive, but I'll take a time out to study the material science of "pearl". As I also previously mentioned, one of my Chemistry classmates was/is in charge of the DuPont Rainbow paint job on No. 24 on the NASCAR circuit and they probably just use acrylic on a race car and not an expensive show car formulation. Still my point is that there is real science in the paint formulation involving organic chemistry and polymer science and considering the volume of paint involved, I would guess that the paint companies have found something like natural pearl, but I am guessing that real pearls are too valuable to crush up in paint. As Brickman says that would really make it expensive! Still there is no denying the role of practical engineers and entrepeneurers in finding practical formulations that remain proprietary. Now you really got me wondering what it is. Maybe lt1s10 thinks they make it in Baltimore from Chesapeake oysters, but sadly the oysters are in trouble and the catch is way down in recent years so that would argue for some other material!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder

you may be right don, its just one of those things that i've believed most of my life. at a 100.00 a qt. it should be. this is what DuPont has to say.

Special Effects - Pearls and Metallics
The first metallic car colors introduced in the late 1920's were formulated by adding materials such as bronze powders to car paints. This began a trend of using metallics to give vehicles a "glamour look," which remained popular for decades. In the 1960's metallic paints were given dramatic highlights with the introduction of the fire frost aluminum flake.
Pearls, which were formulated in the 1960's, gained popularity in the late 1970's. Pearls give the vehicle finish a cleaner look than metallics because pearl flakes selectively reflect the most prominent color in the paint back in the direction of the light source. This causes the paint's base color to be projected more than any other color in the paint, which results in a paint color that is more intense. The use of pearls in today's colors allows the automotive market to offer colors that are cleaner and brighter with more sparkle than is possible with metallic flake. When painted in waterborne, the finish may appear even more brilliant.
The main difference between pearls and metallics: metallics reflect all of the light that shines into them, while pearls reflect back only the paint's primary hue.