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Originally posted by Henry Rifle
Don,

Seem like Virginia is no problem. I've got all the info. This is what you need:



If you have a title, it's a little different ball game, but not difficult.

hey don did you ? them on the smog deal. they told me a few yrs. ago at the time you got your title they would tell you then what smog guideline you would have to follow. this was like 1993 and he told me that he could make me (if he wonted to)put all of the smog on the motor that came from the factory in 1993(conv. , smog pump, etc.) or he could go by the yr. of the motor and make me put what ever came on the motor that yr. and i ask him what he was gong to do and he told me it depended on how he felt that day. he was a real prick, so i forgot about the car. just wondering if he was pulling my leg.

It wasn't Don that posted - it was me. The information I posted came directly from the DMV. There are areas of Virginia that have smog checks, but they're mostly around DC. In Hampton Roads where I live, and where Don lives, there are no smog rules. Virginia specifically recognizes kit-built cars.

The guy you met is not the only one that thinks he is lord high arbiter of all things vehicular. A buckethead in Kansas set up all of the guidelines out there. He wasn't even a high-level official - just an inspector. He took the Kansas laws, made his interpretation, and because he thought he knew what he was doing, they're pretty well accepted all over eastern Kansas. A friend of mine had a T-bucket with a legal Missouri title, and this dunheap wouldn't approve the inspection. He said it was necessary to register it as a 2001 replica of a 1923 Ford.

In Nebraska, (1985) I got a '30 A-bone titled and registered after a brief "discussion" with the tax clerk. (Had to have a tax statement before I could get the title.) The title I had was an old 1940's New Jersy combination title and registration, which she had never seen before. She told me that my car was a "specialty" car, and she needed to see all the receipts and know how much I had in the car. I asked to see the "specialty" car list. She said there wasn't a list, but she knew that my car was one. I said "look, I have a valid bill of sale and a signed-over title that says all I paid for the car was $1,600. Please give me the tax statement so I can get my Nebraska title." She continued to insist that I needed to show her receipts for all of the parts that went into my car. I told her that I had a '68 GTO that I put $10,000 into, I just registered it as a 1968 GTO, and got a $75.00 property tax bill. She said that was different. Still being nice, I said "how is that different?" She said "it just is."

At that point, I asked for her supervisor. The supervisor came over, and the tax clerk started to explain the problem. I interrupted, and said "excuse me, Miss, but you're explaining this second hand. It's my car, my title, and my bill of sale, and I want to explain this to the supervisor." She got a stupid look on her face, but shut up. I told the supervisor that I had a title, a bill of saleand a state inspection certificate. "Could I have my tax statememt please?" The supervisor turned to the clerk, and said "he has a signed title, a bill of sale and an inspection. Give him his tax statement." The clerk said "I don't know what value to tax him on." The supervisor said "it's a 1930 Ford, look it up in the book." Of course, a 1930 Ford had depreciated to minimum value, and my $20,000 car got taxed at $28.00 per year.

The point is, in many states, nobody really cares except the inspectors (and the occasional supervisor), and they aren't really there to help. If you get some guy on a power trip, he makes it his own little kingdom, and since he's the freakin expert nobody in the DMV calls him on it.

By the way, the sheriff who inspected my car spent more time oohing and aaahing over the car and discussing how it was bult, how fast it ran, how it drove, etc., than he was with the details. I was there bench racing for an hour or so. The inspection took five minutes.

henry i was in richmond at the time and trying to get around the smog laws we had then and thought you could build anything you wonted to without dealing with the smog, but i ended up telling him what a prick he was and it was all down hill after that. some of these people will try to help you but if you get the wrong one they can make it hard for you

Thanks Henry,

I got a copy of the DMV regs from the Va Street Rod Association, but who knows what changes might occur by the time I get the car running at least a year from now. I was able to get a Virginia title with plates and the engine is a '76 350 so my plan is to install the EGR and the PCV, but no cats and get it inspected and see what happens with regular plates on a '29 Ford (replica). I am keeping receipts of parts in case I need them.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

I would rather do pcv, cats, and no egr. Do you have an option? Cats are very reliable nowadays, but egr still gums up and causes vacuum leak like conditions and sucks like that. Cats might also be cheaper, and would certainly be easier to replace or install/remove if you take them off between inspections.

Henry, You're right about Kansas. I live in Kansas, But if you buy the car and it came from Kansas you don't need it inspected. just take the bill of sale to the DMV and your in and out.
Any time you get a car out of state you have to get it inspected. On a street rod they really look it over. And they do a title search. you don't know how many time there's title trouble. that's when the red flags come up. Then it's a long and drawn out paper work to do. The after that they want to register it as the year it was done. The best thing is when you find a car and before you start work on it, get it inspected and the paper work done before you start the work. 99% of the time it will go right through.

think what everybody should do is call the people office that are running for office and see what there view is on street rods or pre 73 cars and if there views are not what you like tell them your not voting for them.
That's what i do when there office call my house and looking for votes. i ask them all kinds of question. Like what are they doing about keeping jobs in the State, What's there view on older cars. or there wanting a vote on bi state tax, which goes for the stadiums and arts, which ae in Missouri. I tell them no on my vote, because Missourian get first choice on tickets and Kansasns get what's left over.

Luckily, I live in Hampton Roads (VA Beach), and there are no smog checks. Lucky, I guess. My motor is a 2003 crate.

76GMC1500

Well there is always the possibility that a wooden plug might get stuck in the EGR tubing between inspections. My question would be whether the cats have any muffler effect so as to permit cats only and no mufflers? It seems to me that cats and mufflers will cause a significant H.P. loss and since the '76 did not have cats originally I thought I would just use turbo mufflers. What about using only cats and no mufflers, too loud?

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally posted by Don Shillady


........ I was able to get a Virginia title with plates and the engine is a '76 350 so my plan is to install the EGR and the PCV, but no cats and get it inspected and see what happens ............

Don my 350 came out of a 76 pickup. The casting number is 3970010 produced from 69 to 80. I had the block decked and the ID numbers on the right front are gone. I also detailed the block, removing casting flashings, extranious lettering and numbers and the like. So, if anyone askes, I guess my motor is a 69.

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Originally posted by Don Shillady
76GMC1500

Well there is always the possibility that a wooden plug might get stuck in the EGR tubing between inspections. My question would be whether the cats have any muffler effect so as to permit cats only and no mufflers? It seems to me that cats and mufflers will cause a significant H.P. loss and since the '76 did not have cats originally I thought I would just use turbo mufflers. What about using only cats and no mufflers, too loud?

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

the cats are quieter than most turbo muf, but you dont have any control over the sound. i wouldnt use the cats unless i had to.

Don,

I wouldn't do it for three reasons:

1. Too loud
2. Too expensive
3. The 76 didn't have it.

You might want to check with an inspector first though. Do you live in a smog check area?