Thread: flat black with ghost flames

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Thanks for the positive comments. I do love the matte black look, however, eventhough the body is arrow straight and the paint job is professional I still get people asking me "when are you gonna paint it?" ....IT IS PAINTED....
brianrupnow, I dont know anything about JD Blitz Black but if it is not a catalyzed paint I myself would not use it.
If I did it again I would use the Dupont line call Hot Hues. With Hot Hues you have two choices. Base coat/Clear coat using their semigloss clear or their Hot Rod Black single stage. Here is a link to the Hot Rod Black. If it doesent work then just search the web for Hot Hues home page

http://pc.dupont.com/HotHues/deploye...0pg_ER3838.pdf

Locally the Hot Rod Black sells for $50 a quart and only thins something like 3 parts paint 1 part thinner + hardener.

mike

Interesting story behind that flame job---my friend built the car, then took a side profile picture with his camera, then traced the outlines on a peice of tracing paper. He made about a dozen zerox copies of the outline and involved his wife, young son, and early teenage daughter in designing what they considered to be the perfect flame layout. When they all reached a concensus on which hand drawn flame layout looked the best, they coloured the picture and gave it to me. That picture I am holding is the coloured picture they gave me to use as a guide for laying out the flames on the car.---I went to his house about 150 miles from where I live on a Friday night, of a long weekend---he had the car all in primer, ready for me----I painted the black on Saturday morning, drank beer all Saturday afternoon, Layed out the flames Sunday morning (with massive headache), sprayed the flames all wet on wet on Sunday afternoon, Sprayed the clear Sunday at midnight, Got up Monday morning and pulled all the tape. The car was finished except for reassembly of some parts that were sprayed off the car on sawhorses on Monday afternoon.

Thats a great story. Sounds like my life. Ive gotten myself into quite a few jobs that at first seem "superhuman". Later in life when you look back you think "How the Hell did I......No...Why the Hell did I do that". You sware you'll never put yourself under those constrants again and then befor you know it.........well, you get the idea.

mike

Well not sure why you wouldn't use the BB. It is used on tractors, holds up really well, lasts for a really long time. All you would have to do is pull the tape off before it dries all the way, just take your time and don't touch the wet top coat.

Alright, I guess the ghost flames in the flat black is out of the question then. I'm thinking about maybe doing the whole car in gloss black with ghost flames, or two toning with flat black and glossy color, and ghost flaming the gloss color. I like that flat black with the gloss black flames, but I don't want to leave the flat part unprotected without clear to seal it, and I don't really feel like using two different clears.

I would love to have those shiny flames on my dually!! I am about to paint my truck with the Blitz Black and could not find John Deere Hardener. I bought a pint from napa for $47.00. It says it is a high solids hardener. I believe the Blitz Black is a synthetic enamel. In this post previously it was suggested by FMXhellraiser that I need one part of hardened and thinner to eight parts paint. Would this type of hardener be ok with the BB? Someone also said they wouldn't use Blitz Black cause it wasn' a catalized paint. Isn't that why you add the hardener (catalist)? I am a bit confused and want to ease my mind before starting on the truck. If not I got an old horse trailer to practice on. Could try the flames there as well. Thanks
Tommy

There is synthetic enamel, and acrylic enamel, I would read the label to try to determine the type of paint John Deere is selling. The can of hardener should tell you which kind it will work with, or call NAPA for that info.

Many paints are designed for use without a catalyst. Adding a universal catalyst will give the paint more "toughness" than it would normally have.

Judging by the price of the John Deere product, do not expect miracles! You have to ask yourself why 99% of the automotive paint & body shops spend a tremendous amount on materials? It is not because they want to help our economy. :-) It is because the cheap stuff is not normally acceptable......not even close! As a general rule, if you use a good quality urethane paint system, it will last 10-20 years....instead of 5 years or less!

Thanks hotrodpaint. I am not looking for a showroom paint job, this is a ranch truck that gets a lot of abuse. I just like flat black and am a cheap mother and I heard it was very easy to paint with. The John Deer paint is a synthetic enamel according to the can. Napa sold me the high solids hardener and there are no directions on it but the guy said it would work great with a syn. enamel. It is made by martin senour paints. Funny thing is I found out the Blitz Black is made by the same people that make the House Of Color Paint line, Valspar. I also am from the school of "expensive is not always the best, sometimes just the best advertised and highest in demand" and I can only hope the Blitz Black will lasts five years. LOL Thanks again.
Tommy

Valspar was a producer of industrial-type paints, before they bought House of Kolor, so that would explain their involvement with a tractor company.

Using expensive paint on a work truck does not sound like a good choice to me either. I just wanted you to know that there is a difference. Simply ask a professional painter who is expected to deliver high quality work. However, if you decide that the lesser priced paint will suit your purpose, then why spend the extra?

It's like hamburger and porterhouse. They are not the same, but if you don't mind hamburger, it's much easier on the budget! :-)

I haven't used this JD paint yet but do you guy's think it will last me AT LEAST 5 years? Also 5 years meaning it will be covered up sometimes and also left outside a bit too so basically it will be used like any other car. I don't plan to beat the hell outta this truck so....
Thanks!