Thread: Clear coat questions

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Originally posted by MCISNEORS101301
JUST WANTED TO SHOW MY WORK. 1966 FRD FST BK MUSTANG. PPG BASE (DBC). SIDE DRAFT BOOTH. NO AIR MAKE UP. SAVING MY MONEY TO PURCHASE AIR MAKEUP. COST JUST AS MUCH AS THE BOOTH. MY OWN BOOTH IN MY BACK YARD. COOL??????

Were you meaning Heat makeup for your booth ?
Or a fresh Air Respirator system ?

What clear are you spraying over your DBC ?

By the way , looks like you have a nice system .

Originally posted by pbodyman
what color green is that? Is it a candy or just a base?It does look really sweet.Almost the same color i painted my bike.Mine was candy green over silver base with green metal flake.I cleared it with dupont 7220 worked great and buffed awsome (only buffed the tank)

The color is sour apple and it's just basecoat... lots of pearl in it though.

pbodyman ,
The Global D893 - D894 clears buff like butter ,
Its why I switched years ago over my DBU .

SprayTech

the shop i run has always used dupont since i've been there and they worked very well with only one come back in 11 years for chipping (but it was a traktor nose that had seen 100;000 miles )so its been good. the g2 4500 we use every day sprays nice (I think it dries to fast we bake at 160 for 20 mins with10 min cool then you can buff) and buffs good within 4 days then it starts to get hard.I have used ppg in high school when they first came out with globel (about 10 years ago) and it worked good but buffed hard.I'm sure its better now.The last ppg stuff i used wwas dp primer for my motor.I havent seen a better primer than that.My boss is very old school so he'll be using dupont as long as he's in business.:"Old habits die hard "

I have used PPG for 30 years and will never change myself , its what a man gets used to and knows .

Global has come along way since it came out , but I still like the DBU line , as it doesnt have a lift cycle .


SprayTech

A lift cycle? whats that.

all paints have a window , in the application , if let sit to long or apply to fast between coats , lifting may occur .

Plus if you have to get back into a fresh paint job , lifting is likley to happen !

I also like global clears as there is no solvent popping .

Spray

never had a solvent pop problem.i have never had a lift problem either with a redo or the like.
but good to know.

your either very lucky , or not been laying color for very long , not to see any lifting

Hate to see a job come in wrecked , and see some one has been there before !
Products arent always compatiable .....LOL

I will have to say DBU is some harsh base , it penetrates way to good sometimes .

Spray

Originally posted by SprayTech
Were you meaning Heat makeup for your booth ?
Or a fresh Air Respirator system ?

What clear are you spraying over your DBC ?

By the way , looks like you have a nice system .

YES I MEANT A HEAT MAKEUP... THOSE CAN COST UP TO $13,000. HAVE TO SAVEUP.... MY SIDE DRAFT DOES NOT HAVE PLENIUM, MORE MONEY TO HEAT UP... I NORMALY USE DCU 2021 OR 2002 AND SOMETIMES DC4000....

BUT ON THIS MUSTANG I USED TRANSTAR EURO CLEAR. CAME OUT LIKE GLASS.... SCUFFED AND BUFFED AND MADE LOOK LIKE SHOW ROOM FINISH...... TALK ABOUT DOI.... WILL SEND THOSE PHOTOS LATER... NOT AT THAT COMPUTER TODAY....

Just for your info , PPG will not stand behind that paint job if something goes wrong down the line .

They are real sticklers for using their full product line .

I know PPG products are expensive , I just had my buddy order and pick up all his material for his 65 pro street Chevelle , 1278.00 bucks , I am glad I had an EMS crew standing by to restart his heart .....LOL

Spray

I think that DBC is User friendly compare to DBU. I did have lifting when i used DBU during custom paint jobs. DBC has 24 window and now with DBC500 I can open my window for another 24 hours before the first window. Some art work can take soem time. DBU was just a lttle to much work to do the same. To much build can cause lift.......

DBC has a lift widow for sure , its why I dont use it , unless you use the hardner for the base .

I have see DBC lift itself for letting it sit to long between coats too .

Plus if you let DBC or DBU dry longer then 24 hours , the clear will peal off in sheets , unless you are using the DBC 500/DBU 500 over the base then scuffing before clearing .

Trust me , I have seen and heard all the horror stories .

PPG doesnt want the base sitting for a 24 hour length of time unless scuffing and re-coating with a coat or 2 of base then clearing , or the mention above !
As adhesion loss will occur .
Spray

Don't get me wrong i use PPG most of time. 90% But ppg does not warranty 100% of thier products. I car i did, dcu 2021 milked on black. It turned white. They sent a paint who then sent a paint tech. they asked what the temp was 95 it was. TX weather what reducer i used, med it was. Then they asked about my filter system. Well i have a Sata 400 seriers two stage filter system. They asked what based i sprayed funny, I ordered it straight from the sTore dbc. i BROKE IT DOWN FOR THEM.

DPLF50 EVERCOAT RAGE, K36 , DAS 3025 SEALER, DBC, DCU 2021. EVERCOAT RAGE IS NOT A PPG PRODUCT THEY SAID. MAYBE IT WAS THE FILLER. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. SO I GOT THE TECH TO TAKE THE CLEAR WITH HIM. 3 DAYS LATER HE SAID I HAD A BAD PATCH OF CLEAR.

SO I ASKED WHAT DO I DO? HE SAID TO REPAINT. HE SENT ANOTHER KIT OF DCU 2021. I ASKED WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK BASE. SO HE SENT A GALLON OF THE BLACK BASE. THEN I ASKED ABOUT THE TAPE PAPER SAND PAPER AND LABOR. I NEVER HEARD A THING FROM HIM AGAIN. I TOLD MY JOBBER AND THEY SENT MOST OF THE MATERIALS. SO YOU SEE PPG DOES NOT GIVE YOU 100%. I HAVE BEEN USING PPG FOR 10 YEARS. BUT I FEEL THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE, PEOPLE... SINCE THIS I HAVE YET TO SEE ANOTH PPG REP JUST MY JOBBER PAINT REP.

Yeah i know what you mean sometimes the reps aren't doing what you'd expect... they talk a big game untill you have a prob..