Thread: can i get LEAD bsaed paint for my 57 Chevy?

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OK so we don't respect each other. I can live with that. If I buy lacquer I only use it for touch-ups so a pint is usually enough It costs about $35 to $50 depending on the color. It's easier for an ametuer to use than enamel because it dries really fast so you don't get as many runs and it can be wet sanded and rubbed out for a nice shine. Lacquer thinner costs $12 a gallon. Napa can mix up almost any color and put it in a spray can. It costs about $12 for a 7.6 oz can and it goes a long way. I've been useing them for touch-ups lately and they give a good finish. 2 or 3 light coats work better than one heavy coat.

I won a 57 Chevy 4 dr ht in a raffle a few years ago. It was a beautiful shiny black. It had a new set of crager SS mags and a Grant GT wood steering wheel. It had a 400 small block chevy engine in it and 4 speed transmission. otherwise it was all stock. It was a fun car and I used it for a daily driver for two years before I sold it.

I was wondering if you know the difference between a 4 dr hardtop and a 4 dr sedan? A lot of people don't. They think anything that's not a convertible is a hardtop. A hardtop has no doorposts and no window frames on the doors.

I didn't say only old people restore to original I said old farts do. I'm old and I build hotrods. I do know about life as I have created four of them with some help from my wife. You can't live a long time and not know about life. Only a teenager would say something like that.

Originally posted by The Al Show
Only a teenager would say something like that.

From a teen girl at work yesterday "Lynyrd Skynyrd? Yeah, I like him, he's good"

I met her parents and brother. It's genetic.

'nuther words it takes the LEAD outta YOUR pencil.....

Peace,

what about importing it? it can work cant it?

later

Originally posted by Hot Rod 57 hips
Peace,

what about importing it? it can work cant it?

later

As Al said b4, it won't get past us Customs. Laquer paint is safer for you and the enviroment and it's actully posible to get in the us.

Originally posted by Hot Rod 57 hips
Peace,

what about importing it? it can work cant it?

later

matt , hate to burst your bubble , but Lacquer is NOT safer for the invironment, it has a higher VOC level then any other paint product out there today , its why it is been fazed out, and banned in many states because it doesnt meet OSHA VOC limits !

and its not safer for you to spray , just as deadly as the rest , just because it doesnt use isocyanates doesnt mean its a good thing.

The paint products being designed today have pretty low VOC levels, but OSHA still wants the levels lower. Its also why they developed HVLP guns too. to help with better transfer from gun to vehicle !

Spray

Originally posted by SprayTech
matt , hate to burst your bubble , but Lacquer is NOT safer for the invironment, it has a higher VOC level then any other paint product out there today , its why it is been fazed out, and banned in many states because it doesnt meet OSHA VOC limits !

and its not safer for you to spray , just as deadly as the rest , just because it doesnt use isocyanates doesnt mean its a good thing.

The paint products being designed today have pretty low VOC levels, but OSHA still wants the levels lower. Its also why they developed HVLP guns too. to help with better transfer from gun to vehicle !

Spray

Yes I do realize that Laquer is still not safe for the enviroment but it has to be safer than lead based paint and, it is still available in some states unlike lead based.

Originally posted by Streets
Here's a thought... Buy any kind of paint cha want to and then add that "Lead additive" to it and spray it on yer car... then you'll have "lead (bsaed)" paint.. hahahaha

How 'bout grindin' down sum' lino type barz'??? Then yud' have metallic lead based paint.

I could get a couple lbs. from the print shop I usta' work @. I know that stuff iz @ least 25 yrs. old. Never bought new as long as I ken' remember. They just melt the type back down after a job N' reuse it. Old stuff outta' be better (More original). How 'bout sinkerz'. Shouldn't be castin' those lead sinkerz' in our water Ann E. How. That bringz' to mind Lead pencils. Did they originally really have lead in em' or iz' graphite just a lead substitute? As a kid I was constantly being told ta' get the lead out. (I didn't even know where the lead was). I wood' just sit around lookin' side to side tryin' to find it. He HE HE


Lunch break over, See Yas'.

Originally posted by pro70z28
That bringz' to mind Lead pencils. Did they originally really have lead in em' or iz' graphite just a lead substitute? As a kid I was constantly being told ta' get the lead out. (I didn't even know where the lead was). I wood' just sit around lookin' side to side tryin' to find it. He HE HE


Lunch break over, See Yas'.

Why is a #2 pencil still called a #2, why isn't it a #1 by now. And what ever happened to the #1 pencil anyway. Ponderous man, just ponderous.

Originally posted by pro60chevy
Why is a #2 pencil still called a #2, why isn't it a #1 by now. And what ever happened to the #1 pencil anyway. Ponderous man, just ponderous.

I think problee' that #2 pencil has no ambition. Can't be a #1 pencil wit' a #2 pencil mentality.

Originally posted by Streets
Funni you should ask that...

History of the Lead Pencil
Lead pencils, of course, contain no lead. The writing medium is graphite, a form of carbon. Writing instruments made from sticks cut from high quality natural graphite mined in England and wrapped in string or inserted in wooden tubes came into use around 1560. By 1662, pencils were produced in Nuremberg, in what is now Germany, apparently by gluing sticks of graphite into cases assembled from two pieces of wood. By the early 18th century, wood-cased pencils that did not require the high quality graphite available only in England were produced in Nuremberg with cores made by mixing graphite, sulfur and various binding agents. These German pencils were inferior to English pencils, which continued to be made with sticks cut from natural graphite into the 1860s.

In 1795, French chemist Nicholas Jacques Conté received a patent for the modern process for making pencil leads by mixing powdered graphite and clay, forming sticks, and hardening them in a furnace. According to Petroski, "the brittle ceramic leads…were inserted in wooden cases of a modified design, one used by some early German pencil makers to encase their sulfur-and-graphite leads. The piece of wood into which the leads were placed has a groove about twice as deep as the thickness of the rod of lead. A slat of wood was then glued in over the lead to completely fill the groove, and the pencil was ready to be finished to the desired exterior shape."

In the U.S., wood-cased lead pencils were produced in the Boston area by William Munroe beginning in 1812. Munroe’s cores were made from dried graphite paste and were not hardened in a furnace. Between the early 1820s and 1850s there were several small pencil makers near Boston, including William Munroe, John Thoreau, Joseph Dixon, and Benjamin Ball. The pencils they produced were inferior to those made in England from natural graphite and in France and Austria using the Conté process. The photograph to the right shows a bundle of pencils manufactured by Ball._ Holden & Cutter, Boston, MA, advertised French and English lead pencils c. 1840-60; Grigg & Elliot, Philadelphia, PA, advertised lead pencils c. 1850-60; John W. Clothier, Philadelphia, PA, advertised Faber's, Guttknecht, and Brookman & Lagdon's lead pencils c. 1858..

In 1847, Dixon set up a new factory just outside New York City that used graphite to manufacture crucibles for melting metals, polish for cast iron stoves, and, on a limited scale, pencils. However, most lead pencils sold in the U.S. were still imported from Europe, increasingly from Germany as the quality of German pencils improved with adoption of the Conté process. In 1861, Eberhard Faber set up a factory in New York that made pencils using leads from Germany, and in 1862 pencils made by another New York company, the Eagle Pencil Co., won an award in London._

Mass production of lead pencils began in the U.S. after the Civil War. During 1864-67, several patents were granted for machinery for making lead pencils including a Dixon wood planing machine for shaping pencils that produced 132 pencils per minute. U.S. production of pencils was encouraged by the import tariff of 1865 as well as increasing demand, and the four companies that were the principal manufacturers of lead pencils throughout the latter 19th century and early 20th century the Eagle Pencil Co., Eberhard Faber, the American Lead Pencil Co., and the Joseph Dixon Crucible Co.—all set up or expanded pencil factories in the New York/New Jersey area.



According to Petroski, "The demand for pencils seems to have been growing at an unprecedented rate at the time, and in the early 1870s it was estimated that over 20 million pencils were being consumed in the United States each year." In 1887, a Dixon Crucible ad stated:



In 1868 we commenced building machinery for making lead pencils, and on November 18, 1872, we shipped the first invoice of one gross [of pencils] to Voorhees Bros., Morristown, N. J. Now our sales are beyond what our wildest expectations were then. We began in a building 25 x 25, with four or five hands, and now use one hundred thousand square feet of floor space and employ four hundred hands. In the beginning we had only three or four kinds [of pencils] for business and school uses; now we make hundreds of different kinds for business offices, schools, drawing classes, artists, architects, and mechanical draughtsmen, besides making a large variety of pen-holders, paint protectors, slate pencils, artist’s cases, special leads, assortment boxes, erasive rubbers, etc....etc.



In 1878, Charles J. Cohen, Philadelphia, PA, advertised Dixon American Graphite lead pencils. In 1892, Dixon Crucible alone manufactured more than 30 million pencils. Petroski reports that "One observer, writing in 1894, noted that in twenty years the cost of pencils had been reduced by 50 percent, at least in part because of the invention of machinery such as that used by Dixon." Petroski reports an estimate that in 1912 U.S. and world production of pencils were 750 million and two billion pencils, respectively.

Before a market for mechanical pencil sharpeners could be developed, it was necessary not only that a substantial number of pencils were is use but also that these pencils could be sharpened by a machine. The easiest pencil to sharpen with a machine is one with a round or hexagonal wood case that has a round lead that is centered in the case._ The pencils made by Benjamin Ball in the mid-19th century had square leads that were typically off-center and the wood cases were somewhat out-of-round, as the photo to the right reveals.

Round lead was used in mechanical pencils in the early 19th century, but square lead continued to be used in most wood-cased pencils until the mid-1870s. Wielandy states that "All the black lead pencils exhibited at the Centennial in Philadelphia in 1876 contained square leads, and it is said that Joseph Dixon Crucible Company was among the first manufacturers of pencils to use round leads, making the change shortly after the Centennial year." In its 1881 catalog, Robert Clarke & Co., a stationer, advertised Dixon American Graphite, American Lead Pencil Co., and imported A. W. Faber pencils, all with a choice of round and hexagonal cross-sections for the wood cases._ The Dixon pencils illustrated in the catalog had square leads while the Faber pencils had round leads.The explanation for use of square lead in wood pencils is that when square lead was used, it was necessary to cut a groove in only one of the two pieces of wood used to make the case. In order to use round lead, it was necessary to cut matching grooves in the two pieces of wood. Petroski reports that limitations of woodworking machinery may have prevented round lead from being widely used in wood-cased pencils until the last quarter of the nineteenth century. Petroski states that by the late 1870s U.S. pencil makers had machines with the precision and speed to mass produce wood-cased pencils with round leads. In other respects as well, by the late 1870s the pencils made by the four large U.S. companies, which engaged in research and development to improve their pencils, were of substantially higher quality than the pencils made before the Civil War by the small Boston area companies.
WELL, YOU DID ask Prozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

Hey Streets, what's the History of the Ball point pen?

Little known fact:
The ball in the ball point pen just happens to be the exact same size as the ball bearings in the rotary Johnson Rod. Did I ever tell ya'll the story 'bout the Johnson's?

I got the Johnson nose............................................................