Thread: Spraytech! i need ur advice!!!

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Another bit of advice if no one else has given . is do one panel at a time, till all is done, do like one fender till all body work is done , then prime , then on to the next panel. If you bounce around do a little here a little there , nothing really gets done and no show of progress is shown , which will lead to an unfinished project , as it seems like you do alot of work but no signs of getting anywhere.
If you do it one panel at a time , things come together faster.

Ask away, as I will try to help as much as I can.

Spray

Alright I appreciate it. That is what I planned on doing. I am doing the door parts of the front fenders at the moment. One had all surface rust on it because the guy media blasted it but left it in the shop without primer and it got surface rust and my collision teacher said instead of sanding it to get it media blasted because none of that black stuff can be on the metal... What do you say on that? What kind of primer should I get because I want to primer them as soon as they are sanded instead of waiting... I wan't to do it the same day I get one done which I can get a fender all done with tomarrow or the day after if I wanted. I don't know if I want to go with HOK or PPG, I need to try and find a color blue that I wan't but not sure where to get a chart. In my head I have the color I wan't but never seen it on any cars or nothing but what I wan't it something real similar to the color blue on pepsi cans but with nice metallic flake in it. lol I been looking on everything and closes thing I found was this pepsi can color or this color I saw on an lexus one day...
Thanks very much again.

FMX,
The best thing to spray over bare metal is PPG's DPLF 40/50/78/90 the # are different colors .

HOK will go over any PPG 's Quality K2 products with no problems as I have done it many times with no Ill effects.
What you need to do is get a a HOK color chart , and PPG's custom finish color chip book.They used to give them away but charge for them now, Your local PPG jobber shouls carry them.

I have several of them around the house here some where ..LOL

PPG's Radiance is pretty cool , they have some wild colors.

Spray
P.S. Whos going to win the 250 SX this season?
Isnt Bubba Stewart racing 250 class this year?
Ought to be a good season with Charmichel, Stewart, and Reed

Yeah man Bubba is supposed to. They have that asshole Mike Allesie racing 250 class and noone likes him. Him and Mikes dad talk crap saying he is the best racer. Bubba is a kick ass rider. I don't really vote for anyone to win like Bubba or nothing because everyone likes the best riders but I have to admit, he is good and really nice to his fans. When I went to Atlanta to watch him race and hung out with Kevin Windham he gave a lot of his goggles away and his helmet and was really cool. He has worked so hard this year and the past few years, he desearves to win and so does Kevin. I can't leave Kevin out because he is the coolest and I am kind of buddies with him and his film crew hah. Are you into motocross and all? I am guessing so. I may have to sell my bike and get out of the whole motocross and freestyle scene which will suck really bad and get me in a really bad mood, but it's the only way to get my car started and all.

Here the ansewer to your Private message FMX, It wouldnt let me send it because it was to long...LOL




OK after you have your fender to bare metal , spray a good coat of PPG's DPLF 90 ( BLACK) primer, this stuff bites to metal better then any product that I have used. You can also rough up the sealer with 180 grit sand paper and apply body filler over it, then sand to correct contours. I use NCP 271 PPG primer as its a excellent product, ( not cheap but the best out there) very high solids, will fill any depth scratches , but i reccomend sanding your bondo to 150 to eliminate having to spray more then 3 coats of this primer for the first block sanding with 220 grit, then respray 3 more coats with 271, let set over night and block sand with water and 400/500 grit sand paper and seal it
down with DPLF 90 and paint .
If your going to shoot a Kandy I highly reccomend putting the car together and masking jambs as each coat gets darker with every pass of the spray gun , you have to start at the bottomfender edge and spray it all the way to the back edge , as if you stop and over lap the color it will be darker at the overlaps and will look very bad !
Its what they call translucent and needs a foundation base coat first.
I spray all my Kandys over my special mix charcoal metallic as I like the look it gives.
Kandy is not an easy product to spray you have to know how to spray metallics and pearls and not have any tiger stripes,
Gun control is EVERYTHING on a good Kandy job .
Good luck FMX.
Spray

I used to have a bad ass 1991 KX 125 in 1991 that I did everything to , but I was 31 at the time and never did race it , just trail rode it.........Old bones heal real SLOW and I couldnt afford to loose my job .
I did let a kid race it twice and he kicked ass on it and won both Motos with it , and said it was the fastest 125 he had ever ridden

I have watched Super X since broc glover came out of ameture ranks from loretta lynns ..........many moons ago
I think Laroco is my all time favorite, he sure was hard to beat out doors on the KX 250 that guy was an animal in his prime !
I also like whindam hes another rider thes also good , and has talent.

My last super X i seen live was in 1989 at Kansas City Chiefs stadium , it was the last race there I think the guy thats in the wheel chair now won it , for got his name

Spray.

Ok I see. I am going to be doing my car a gloss black and then a ghost flamed metallic blue color on it over the gloss but only the outline of the flames now. I was going to do like the whole front grill metallic blue and all that and then make the flames all solid but think I am going to change my mind now. Should I use a airbrush like a Iwata airbrush to to the flames or what do you think on that? I know I am not doing that anytime soon but I am wanting to know so in case I have to put money aside for that.

FMX,

Gloss Black HUH? Boy are your arms ever going to get a work out on blocking ..........LOL
To have a rod black it better be perfect in every way as it shows every flaw , and people will pick it apart if the see one ripple. Even if its your first time doing something. I have always respected someone trying to learn and do it theirselfs , not everyone is capable of dishing out Big Bucks to have it done professionally.

You dont need any special guns to lay out flames , as you can dial down the fan , and material on a big gun to achieve the effect you want . all I can say is PRACTICE < PRACTICE < PRACTICE.
Learn by getting an old junk hood and getting it prepped for paint, then spray your black down, then get some 1/8 in masking tape and start laying out your flames, mask them out , and spray the flames , unmask , clear , sand and buff.
All this will help in making the overall job on your car easier.
Spray

Yeah man thanks. In Collision we are going to paint hoods and do a lot of painting my instructor said even though that is not part of the course but there's only 6 of us in the class and we all know how to do the body work and all or somewhat do. I have the highest grade in the class and highest on the tests every time and do real well in it so hopefully it will be the same for paint. I will practice a lot before I actually paint my car. Do you know of any cheap paint I can use at first to use to practice with?

Here is what I wan't to do with the flame job... Just like this but in blue not purple, so I don't wan't like a straight outline with the tape if you know what I mean. It's kind of hard to explain. I am just not sure what to the with the front like grill and all like if I should chrome it. gloss black it, make the whole front the same color as the flames or what. I was going to do solid flames (like I think I mentioned before) but not sure. I need to get that program that Toad on here made from HOK and see what I like best. I was also looking at the scallopes.... Those make my car look really sweet. www.my48chevy.com there is a pic of one on there but with a light blue.

Let me know what ya think.

Cool lookin 50 merc there..........But that isnt IMO a true form of ghost flames.
A ghost flame is where you lay out your flames and spray 2-3 very light coats of any color of pearl, and then clear.
you only see them when the sun hits it just right.

I did this on my old 72 chevy stepbox truck .....I had the whole hood , over the fenders down across the doors, My flames are real small and long tipped , it took me 5 whole days to mask them up , the truck I sprayed with PPG's Deltron DAU single stage , then used red pearl over the black, then cleared and rubbed smooth till you couldnt feel the tape edges.
It was pretty cool when I was parked in the sun , people would walk by and do a double take because they thought they seen something and then they would bob and weave then see the flames.

That flame job on the merc was layed out with tape then just the inside edges of the tape out line was colored. There are so many ways to do flames , as there isnt a wrong way or right way to do them , its all in the eye of the painter, and his technique.

Cheap paint? You can try going to your local paint jobber and see if they have any mis match mixes they cant sell, and you can also use model car paint in an air brush to mess around with , did that when I was a young wipper snapper .

Spray

Hey Spray, whail your on the subject of colors that show improfections well, how would a darker single stage purple hide improfections? FMX, the guy I talked to at the Napa paint counter told me to get rustolum farm and tractor enamel paint and some thinner and test and practice with that.

Matt , on imperfections , do you mean flaws in body ? like waves in metal?
Or small dust particles in the paint it self?

The lighter the color like white will hide alot of body imperfections , BUT it will show off the gaps in panels if way off as they show up dark , like picture framing.
The darker the color the better the body work needs to be, it shows every ripple or wave in sheet metal. but the body gaps arent so apperent as they blend in with the dark color.

any color shade will show imperfections in the color if you want to look real close.
There is no such thing as a perfect paint job !!

Spray

P.S. Purple is the only color out there...LOL
Its my favorite color

Thanks spray, yes I meant both imprefections, like body flaws and dust because I don't have a paint booth, just access to a garage when I'm ready for paint. I found a martin senour paint color I really like, it's a dark purple and will be approx 125.00 a gallon and it is singal stage. The first true hotrod I saw ( or was old enough to comprehend what a hotrod was ) was a purple with flames 1933 or 1934 Ford Vickey sedan, saw it outside of Greene NY at a gas station.

Matt,
You can make a cheap makeshift paint booth in your garage with 2x2's and 6mil clear plastic sheeting. make a frame for a air conditioner filter in one end and a hole to stick a fan in to suck out overspray .

I have painted a ton of cars in my garage and have had very clean jobs .
The trick is to wash the garage floor out with water the night before, and blow and clean the car very well out side and let dust settle , then pull the car inside the booth and wax and grease remover it , after letting dust settle for 3-4 hours. walk out of the garage ,and spray it in the morning when bug, wind , and dust is at its least.
walk into the booth and wax and grease remover it one more time and tac and shoot. never blow the car off after its in the booth as you stir up air even before you start shooting .
And also neveer point the gun as you are spraying at the floor as it will kick up dirt on thhe floor.

I knew a guy that painted simi trailers in a sand floor booth and I asked him " How the hell do you keep dirt out of the paint " he told me " I dont mess with the dirt and the dirt dont mess with me "
Some of the best advice I ever got early on in my carrear. always keep the first 4 feet of air hose where it connects to the gun OFF THE FLOOR as dropping it on the floor will pick up dirt when you drop it as it will be sticky with overspray !
never yank the hose around as it will stir up dirt , always walk and pick it up and lightly carry it around the car as you are painting .

Another thing I will say is after you shoot your single stage paint in your garage , leave the fan running with fresh air comming in for at least 8 hours as your paint is gassing off and if you shut everything off and not let fresh air circualte you might get solvent pop on your fresh paint job.
What that means is your solvents will gass off but will fall right back on top of the paint and cause little bubbles or it will also cause dieback or dulling of the shine .

Spray

Originally posted by SprayTech
Matt,
You can make a cheap makeshift paint booth in your garage with 2x2's and 6mil clear plastic sheeting. make a frame for a air conditioner filter in one end and a hole to stick a fan in to suck out overspray .

I have painted a ton of cars in my garage and have had very clean jobs .
The trick is to wash the garage floor out with water the night before, and blow and clean the car very well out side and let dust settle , then pull the car inside the booth and wax and grease remover it , after letting dust settle for 3-4 hours. walk out of the garage ,and spray it in the morning when bug, wind , and dust is at its least.
walk into the booth and wax and grease remover it one more time and tac and shoot. never blow the car off after its in the booth as you stir up air even before you start shooting .
And also neveer point the gun as you are spraying at the floor as it will kick up dirt on thhe floor.

I knew a guy that painted simi trailers in a sand floor booth and I asked him " How the hell do you keep dirt out of the paint " he told me " I dont mess with the dirt and the dirt dont mess with me "
Some of the best advice I ever got early on in my carrear. always keep the first 4 feet of air hose where it connects to the gun OFF THE FLOOR as dropping it on the floor will pick up dirt when you drop it as it will be sticky with overspray !
never yank the hose around as it will stir up dirt , always walk and pick it up and lightly carry it around the car as you are painting .

Another thing I will say is after you shoot your single stage paint in your garage , leave the fan running with fresh air comming in for at least 8 hours as your paint is gassing off and if you shut everything off and not let fresh air circualte you might get solvent pop on your fresh paint job.
What that means is your solvents will gass off but will fall right back on top of the paint and cause little bubbles or it will also cause dieback or dulling of the shine .

Spray

Thanks for the advice on makeshift spray booth. 1 more question, what do you use to mask windows off, I have seen people use paper bags and stuff like that for cheap home jobs but I see on TV and in bodyshops, they use like plastic is special ways, what and how does that work?