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How much does it cost the owner for taxes and stuff or do you really get a freebie?

According to a tax attorney friend of mine in NY, it SHOULD be considered a gift, with the tax paid by the program. However, the IRS seems to like to call it income - with the tax to be paid by the receiver.

The gift bags (yes, that's GIFT bags) given out at the Oscars are treated as income to the receivers. My tax attorney friend can't figure out why a gift should be treated as income. The IRS makes the obvious distinction, then doesn't seem to follow their own rules.

I'd really be interested in knowing how it works. Same issue with the big-time home makeover shows. One of the last ones I saw, the family got a huge new house (completely furnished) and new F250 HD edition, and the father got a monster shop completely set up with a lift and stocked with Craftsman tools. The whole deal had to be a half-mil. There's no way they could have paid the taxes without selling the house.

Chip,Skip,Flip,never got why people drool over a "Chip" car.I am sure you guys could do the same or even better given a unlimited budget.

No, we couldn't. The man is probably the single most talented car designer/builder in the world today, IMO. He is multi-talented and has an eye for balance and style that few of us will ever attain. Plus. from all accounts he is just one super nice human being.

Don

well some of you.

Yeah i agree ,i just wasnt gonna say it, but i think too much stock is put in these guys, granted he is a good designer, but as far as building i know if you guys had the resources he has, you guys could do it too, and don we all see the work your doing on a budget, if you and your son had the dollars and resources they have ,i have no doubt you guys could build a world class rod

So HOTRODDADDY, who do I make the check payable to?

While your compliments are really nice to hear, I know my limitations only too well. Some golfers hit the ball pretty well, and then there are the Tigre Woods of the world. I'm the guy who carries their clubs. That is why I build simple, basic rods. They don't take too much imagination.

The Chip Fooses of this world (and to a lesser degree, my Son Dan) have some gift that goes beyond just being a good rod builder. They "see" things that most of us overlook. Like I have said, when I see my kid sitting staring at something I have built on the T, I know some revelation is coming. So I will say "Ok, what don't you like?" At first he won't say anything, but finally will offer, " well, if you did this like that, it would fit better and flow more smoothly" or something like that. After I relook at what he is talking about I have to usually admit "d*** he is right."

I worked at a body shop as a Production Manager for a while, and we had some very top notch body techs there. But the owner could walk by a car while we were talking and say "have Bill go back over those bolts on the bottom of the fender, they need touched up." No one knew how the heck he could see things everybody else missed, but he did. Chip seems to have that knack also.

In watching Chip on various shows, it is apparent the crew who works on the cars have a deep respect for Chip's abilities, and he seems to be the polar opposite of Boyd who goes through people like kleenex. I've never met Chip, but bet he is not much different than what you see on TV.

Don

Amen, Don! Yes, with unlimited finds, we may have gotten a really nice car, but what Chip did went far beyond "vision" we might have had for it. He is a genuine person who loves what he does, and does it for the love of the car and thrill of seeing the owner's reaction; not for money and glory ala Boyd and the dweeb from Wrecks to Riches.....

Thank you everyone for your input. I did not figure my question would result in so much discussion. Photochk1 I would love to see more picts of your car. I would love to see more picts of cars like it as well. I do not know if I will ever obtain my dream, but it is there. I want to make sure of what I want before I go after it. Do my homework..... I am sure all of you who have made a hotrod have your own individual talents. You have to give Chip Foose his propers for what he has done. I only know one show that is named OH, and he has won the Riddler award. I have the desire, the time, some funds, but lack the education. I believe the car hobby is about to loose tried and true techniques that have been learned through trial and error over the years as people die. How do you learn to lead a seam, or whatever? I understand there is hot rod u and Wyo tech, but are they doing all of the tricks. I know you have to find people who can teach you. I will. I just get impatient. My best friend and neighbor is 87 years old. He was one of the original hot-rodders and stockcar drivers back in the day. He was asked to drive Indy car when Indy car was not was it is today. Carl raced a lot of tracks with his 37 ford that he cut 9 inches off of by hanging the body from the rafters and drawing a line. He bored engines with a boring bar, etc. He built a ton of trick cars and now he has cancer and can not teach me what I desire to know. I wish there was a way for that knowledge to be passes on. Do not get me wrong I know that kids are doing new things that are amazing, and I like that, however I love old school and just want to learn. I would love to spend a year learning from Chip Foose, or George Barris, or any of the others, however I do not think I will be moving from my roots. Why is it that you do not read more about groups like the cheeters club that everyone just gets together once or twice a week or month and work on hotrods? This forum is a great place. I look forward to learning more from all of you.
Paul

Ritterp - Not sure if you know, but TLC has another show coming out that is basically about learning the tricks of the trade from a master car builder. Don't remember what it's called, but you can submit an application and hope to be picked... Try the TLC website.

Here are some pics of highboy Model A's I have collected from various sites over the years. I have collected lots of Model A pics as I was going to build a Model A before I found my Nash's.

Here are some tudors.

Here are some coupes.

Originally Posted by hotroddaddy

Yeah i agree ,i just wasnt gonna say it, but i think too much stock is put in these guys, granted he is a good designer, but as far as building i know if you guys had the resources he has, you guys could do it too, and don we all see the work your doing on a budget, if you and your son had the dollars and resources they have ,i have no doubt you guys could build a world class rod

The thing is, he did not always have those resources. He talks about building cars with his Dad, he also worked for Coddington for a while. He paid his dues. Now he has resources because people have recognized his talent, and his ethics, and have supported him. If as you guys suggest, anyone with those resources could do what he does, we would have a lot more Riddler winners. One of Foose's talents is to set a theme for a car and make it work throughout the whole car. Personally I think he has opened up opportunities for many other builders because people see his cars and want something similar or even better. Since not everyone can hire him, they look elsewhere. Still other builders view his work as a challenge and try to out do him. I was watching a Rides episode where he was featured not to long ago and a comment was made about him "raising the bar" and he made the statement "I have yet to see this bar." Think that speaks volumes about his vision that has no limits or boundaries. Call me a worshiper if you like, but for whatever it is worth he is the best there is at the moment and is charting a future direction for this hobby/business.

For those that are wanting to lern old school methods, I think Gene Winfield is actually conducting customizing classes out of his place in Mojave CA. You can learn from one of the old masters there.

Winfields Rod&Custom (661) 824-4728
8201 Mojave, California 93501

Pat

Hey dont get me wrong im not ragging the guy, i agree he is amazing, but dont limit your mindset to believe he is the best, theres always someone better, maybe one of us, here at chr, and dont down play youre own abilities, some of you guys do amazing thing to cars, with limited funds/resources, and you say if everybody could do it there would be more riddler awards out there ,how many of you have built a car to compete? if i had the money i would pay you guys to build a car for the competition, and im willing to bet we could win, all im saying is dont bullshit yourselves into believing you cant do it, remember i think i can, ithink i can, i think i can