Thread: 27 chevy p/u

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i just figured out what this ignore option does!

Sad day....!

Originally Posted by 406Rich

Sad day....!

yes it is.
this is the very first time i have even gotten slightly irritated since i joined this forum.
but sometimes either personalities clash
or someone finds their hidden troll and it gets ugly.
i tried hard to be calm and friendly
but it didnt work this time.

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

....I just read Rogers post and a specific item/area that I want to point out that even he will probably agree.....

Now that's either an outright insult or a backhanded compliment, not sure which.

Billy,
I did go back and scroll through the posts, and while I didn't say anything originally I did note at the time that Howard (hworrell) pointed out two things that I agreed would be a concern to me. First was welding the ladder bars to the rear end housing without wrapping the tube - Howard cited two personal failures due to the stresses of that joint causing the rear end tubes to fail. Second was the welded pitman arm without any gussetting or reinforcement - I thought I remembered posting some pictures of a method I'd seen on Jeeps, but it must have been on a different thread, but I recall that I agreed with Howard's comments. I think you said that you would pass on both thoughts to your friend doing the build, but from later photo's it appears he did not see them as problems, so you've made your choice.

I did notice two other things on the rear end that I would probably look at again if it were mine. On the coilovers, I'd really prefer to see a pair of mounting tabs welded onto the frame up top, with a Grade 8 bolt going through both and the upper eye. It'll probably be fine like it is, but it would be better with a second tab, or at least some healthy gussets on the single tab. Second is your front frame mount on the traction bars. That connection point sees pure vertical movement, as when both rear wheels rise & fall equally, but it also must allow a twisting movement, to reflect the full flex of the coil overs, one up fully, the other down fully, like a Heim Joint. From your pictures it appears that there is a through bolt on the tubing, which does not seem to provide anything other than a pure up and down motion without binding. I wouldn't think any of these things will be a concern for your Colorado trip, as I expect that you're going to be doing easy cruising over nice mountain roads, and not punishing the chassis. When you get home you might want to have a bull session with some of your car guy buddies, and see if they share any concerns with these three areas. The modifications for all three are relatively easy to accomplish, should you choose to do any of them.

Hope you have a great trip!

Originally Posted by rspears

Now that's either an outright insult or a backhanded compliment, not sure which.

Billy,
I did go back and scroll through the posts, and while I didn't say anything originally I did note at the time that Howard (hworrell) pointed out two things that I agreed would be a concern to me. First was welding the ladder bars to the rear end housing without wrapping the tube - Howard cited two personal failures due to the stresses of that joint causing the rear end tubes to fail. Second was the welded pitman arm without any gussetting or reinforcement - I thought I remembered posting some pictures of a method I'd seen on Jeeps, but it must have been on a different thread, but I recall that I agreed with Howard's comments. I think you said that you would pass on both thoughts to your friend doing the build, but from later photo's it appears he did not see them as problems, so you've made your choice.

I did notice two other things on the rear end that I would probably look at again if it were mine. On the coilovers, I'd really prefer to see a pair of mounting tabs welded onto the frame up top, with a Grade 8 bolt going through both and the upper eye. It'll probably be fine like it is, but it would be better with a second tab, or at least some healthy gussets on the single tab. Second is your front frame mount on the traction bars. That connection point sees pure vertical movement, as when both rear wheels rise & fall equally, but it also must allow a twisting movement, to reflect the full flex of the coil overs, one up fully, the other down fully, like a Heim Joint. From your pictures it appears that there is a through bolt on the tubing, which does not seem to provide anything other than a pure up and down motion without binding. I wouldn't think any of these things will be a concern for your Colorado trip, as I expect that you're going to be doing easy cruising over nice mountain roads, and not punishing the chassis. When you get home you might want to have a bull session with some of your car guy buddies, and see if they share any concerns with these three areas. The modifications for all three are relatively easy to accomplish, should you choose to do any of them.

Hope you have a great trip!

i did wrap the axle
i have a reversed corvair box with new pitman arm
that is a heim joint (it doesnt look like it in the pic)
and i will beef up the coil over mounts.
thanks for the concern/info/advice!

when i get back i will post some better pics of what is going on with everything.

Originally Posted by billy zz

hey
i just figured out what this ignore option does!

Billy, you might step back and listen and look at what Jerry is telling you. He might save your life, or someone else's. I am not going to act like I'm a pro hot rod builder, but Jerry is. I also don't want to be a dick, or hurt your feelings, but the guys that did my 40 Ford were guys whom have been building hot rods for years and knew what they were doing. I hate to tell you, they did shit work and it scared the shit out of me when I saw it. Just because someone has done it and it has worked, doesn't mean it is safe or right. It just means it hasn't broken yet. That pitman arm worries me. The single tab holding your suspension bars, and pan hard bar worry me. No way I'd use a sigle piece of 1/4" and but weld it and call it good. I tend to over build but it's my life and I want to see as close to 100 as I can. I didn't look back in your thread until Jerry's post. I went back to page 4 and came up to current. Again, not trying to be a jerk or pick a part your build, but I can see what Jerry is saying. Just be glad you didn't post this on the HAMB. I wish I had people tell me when I built something wrong before. It would have saved me finding out the hard way.......

I see you have a new pitman arm now, so disregard that in my post. You typed it as I was typing.

Also, I have a friend of mine that is a bad ass welder/fabricator that works in Durango. I bet he could give you some info or ideas, or even fix up your car for you for a decent rate. If you're interested in meeting up with him drop me a PM.

This is a friendly site, and when people chime in, it's worth acknowledging their response. Most people aren't trying to be dicks, just expressing concerns we might miss, god knows I miss a lot of them, then get the gentle reminder that it's not about me, but everyone, including people who I love who might trust me and my building skills more than they should. I think Jerry is well respected here, and listening to what he has to say may spare you from a safety issue. Worth a listen, he's helped me a time or three!

Originally Posted by billy zz

i did wrap the axle
i have a reversed corvair box with new pitman arm
that is a heim joint (it doesnt look like it in the pic)
and i will beef up the coil over mounts.
thanks for the concern/info/advice!

when i get back i will post some better pics of what is going on with everything.

Good deal on the axle, pitman arm and front traction bar joints!! Hope your trip goes well, and that you and your girl have a wonderful time cruising the mountains. I'm currently getting very jealous of your trip!!

we made a new bed for the weasel
anyway
wah lah!


i am going to put a piano hinge in the front and a latch at the rear so that it can only be opened after unlocking and opening the tailgate
inside the bed are 2 storage compartments and the gas tank.

Hey Billy, I thought I would catch you at the club show in Farmington this weekend. Didn't work out. Was a nice laid back gathering and the club that put it on did a good job.

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Nice job on the bed enclosure, Billy, and thanks for the pic's too, Scooting!!

What RSpears said!! X2, good job there Bill and thanks to Scooting for sharing the pics!