Thread: Electrolisis?????

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whats up fellas its been a while but only for the fact of 60 hour weeks and school anyways i was wondering if anyone on the forum has used the homemade style electrolisis and if so what works best for you??? Ive been tryin the washing soap and 10 amps ive gotten decent results but it not as good as i think it could be. ANY advice would alwats be apreciated .

Thanks in advanced

Here is a site with alot of info.......

http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp


MM64

Neat! I have not tried this home version but I have worked in two professional electroplating shops. Such shops often do this cleaning under the name of "electropolishing" usually starting from fairly clean parts to begin with but this is a neat way to derust parts. Other than to compliment you on getting this to work I can only say to take the warning about hydrogen as an explosion hazard seriously and make sure you have plenty of ventilation. A lot of folks born after 1945 did not see that film reel of the Hindenberg as us geezers did. Just as you will never forget the 9/11 pictures of the towers collapsing, older folks will never forget the Hindenberg fire. I just saw a film clip of a BMW using liquid hdrogen fuel and a fire test of a fuel tank which was very impressive. However I think the real danger in using hydrogen fuel whether gas or liquid is at fill-up time. Although there are only a few accidents each year with gasoline fill-ups, those accidents would be huge explosions if hydrogen was involved. Maybe they will find a way to make it safe most of the time, but seeing a lot of foolish things people do with gasoline does not make me optimistic about John-Q-Average filling up his BMW with liquid hydrogen. Well electrolysis looks to be less destructiuve than using an acid dip so use it but with plenty of ventilation.

Don Shillady
Retired Chemist/teen rodder

I did the electrolysis on the fender of my 72 Ford F100, the one with the battery on it. The fender was totally rust and the front part under the battery was gone. I cut out the bad parts and then did the electrolysis thing, rebuilt the rest and thats been 10 years ago. I left it in the soda water overnight.

Bobg

of cousre when ever using chemicals u should have GOOD Ventilation

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Originally posted by Don Shillady
A lot of folks born after 1945 did not see that film reel of the Hindenberg as us geezers did. Just as you will never forget the 9/11 pictures of the towers collapsing, older folks will never forget the Hindenberg fire.

now Don, most of us know that hydrogen can cause an explosion under the correct conditions, BUT let's face some facts about this story & i quote

The Facts on the Hindenburg Disaster:
..1. The bags of hydrogen that provided the lifting force for the Hindenburg were NOT the main contributor to the fire.. The surface of the ship was coated with a combination of dark iron oxide and reflective aluminum paint. These components are extremely flammable and burn at a tremendously energetic rate once ignited. The skin of the airship was ignited by electrical discharge from the clouds while docking during an electrical storm. This reaction has been proven chemically for years, and was demonstrated with actual remnants of the Hindenburg sixty years later, which burned as vigorously as on the day of the disaster.

from THIS SITE , yes they be bias on what they say about hydrogen BUT the facts are out there about what ALL the causes could of been w/the Hindenburg && ya have to remember the whole thing WASN'T filled w/hydrogen & what you see burning is the outter shell of the craft.

The Hindenburg would have burned if it had been filled with inert helium gas. Even if the Hindenburg had not been lifted by hydrogen, the ignition of the covering would still have happened, and would then have set ablaze the diesel stores, resulting in the same disaster.

read the whole page, cause i even learned something NEW 2day about the history of the Hindenberg fire.

yea i have a whole backe yard of ventalation its out in tha open dont worry your not gonna see someone on the news getting blown up by electrolisis... hahaha Mr.Mopar ive been to that web site and theres a couple of others ive been too also

Yeah, I tried it a few weeks ago. I used a 40 gallon fish tank, a peice of welding steel, baking soda, and a car battery. It works really good but you do need to keep an eye on it if you are doing anything plated, it will start lifting the plating after a while

Aint science wonderfull,,,???? :-)

y'know what.. i totally forgot about this...

either means i didnt pay attention during my science schooling or its been a loooong time since i was at school...lol...you decide..

it is a neat trick, and one that i will be using to clean some of my 351 bits...

woohoo for backyard science

Yes indeed I have read about the aluminized coating on the Hindenberg fabric, but the part about it being as bad with He might not be true since He might have quenched/smothered the fire somewhat rather than just burning like hydrogen. I guess what I am worried about is that a lot of progressive folks will sell the idea of liquid hydrogen as a fuel and everything will be great as long as the parts are new and everyone is careful at first, but then after about 5 years as parts wear and folks get careless some major explosions may occur in domestic situations such as home storage tanks. Yes in fact gasoline has more explosive potential on a weight basis but the real problem nobody is emphasizing is that hydrogen is one of the smallest molecules and can leak like crazy through any tiny hole, so the danger is mainly from leaking gaskets or bad fittings; more so than from a propane or butane tank where the molecules are much bigger. Well even if BMW and others can show a seemingly practical way for fillups I think the leakage problem is the main ignored hazard. Of course we probably have all seen some folks get away with even filling a gas tank while smoking (not advised) and getting away with it, but with hydrogen the danger will be greater. The bottom line is that maybe I just saw that film on the Hindenberg too many times and maybe (??) with care liquid hydrogen will become "practical" but I will wait to see how it goes before I switch to liquid hydrogen.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Hey this got me thinking so in edit mode let me try to clarify my position. I would not recommend doing a large scale hydrolysis in a closed garage, but probably with the garage door open and one other window open for air flow there should be no problem. Here is an example worth thinking about. Fill a child's balloon with pure hydrogen and then half fill another with hydrogen and the other half with air (20% oxygen). If you now touch a candle to the balloon with only hydrogen it will pop with a minor "pffft" but when you ignite the balloon that has oxygen as well as hydrogen, you will get a "BAAWHOOOOM!" that will shake your walls! The point is that the Hindenberg burned some material and mostly pure hydrogen but a leak source of hydrogen mixed with the oxygen in the air is potentially a highly explosive mixture so small leaks of hydrogen into an air/oxygen environment is far more hazardous than burning pure hydrogen.