Thread: My plan laid out...

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ok guys it's time for me to show you what i got...some will shoot me down because they don't think it can be done, some will think its a good idea...we'll see!

Injection system: http://ronsfuel.com/flying_toilet.cfm
(just copy and paste it)
Block: 305 bored .060
Pistons: Forged flat tops
Crank: I believe it is a Scat crank
Rods: haven't decided if i want to use Renegades or Scats
Oil: Melling HV pump
Intake: Custom fabrication from aluminum
Heads: FOR NOW Stock truck heads...
Aspiration: 2 Supercoupe Superchargers (off the 3.8L v6 Ford Tbirds)
FUEL: gonna try to run Methanol on this application.

I also understand that this is going to be a complete nightmare for me to pull of because a) expensive b) its not going to be that easy but this is something that i feel could be a little bit of fun someday. I guess you could call it my dream...

I can get the motor running on pumpgas with my current TBI and heads with the cash that i have now and then during the year and such ill work on getting money for the injection and fabricating the intake...Eventually i'll even yank that little motor out and move up in cubes but right now i have the 305 so thats what i'll use, then when thats done ill move up

I've had two 305s and in my humble opinion, I would drive the truck with the 305, make no changes and save up my money. When the time comes, remove the 305 and take it to the nearest pier and drop it off the end in the deep water. They make great structure for bait fish. Then, start with a good 350 or even 400 and build from there. You won't impress anyone when you pop your hood to show off your 305, even if it runs on thermonuclear power. Sorry, been there and won't go back.

I like your opinion about the 305 but I think I'm going to go ahead and put an effort into suping one up and see how i like it...I understand that the 305 is about the most undesirable motor that there is but I'm going to give mine a chance. If i did my math right, with the bore it will be somewhere around 315 or some odd number.

Hopper, I don't know who's been blowin' smoke up your butt, but you need to ask more questions on here or change friends.

Competition Eliminator is not a class, but a segment of competition made up of several different classes including Gas Dragster, Econo Dragster, Nostalgia Dragster, Altered & street Roadster, Altered Truck, Econo Altered, Super Modified and Pro Modified.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "small V8's" and there is no provision in the rules of any of these classes for a full-bodied truck. Altered Truck is for midsized trucks only.

When you show up at the strip with this abortion, you'll be classed in "E.T." and will be allowed to run on a handicapped tree with other abortions.

tech, no reason to get mean about it dude...I am asking questions, or saying what I think and getting more info about it.

The reason i meantioned pro comp was because i wanted to see exactly what it is about.

Also, im not building a freak 305...in reality i probably will not put alcohol to the 305 because by the time i've saved the money to buy the injection system that i want, ill be ready for a big block because Ill have another car to drive.

The injection that i want is called "Flying Toilet" the 305 is just because my current 305 is about to go and i need a replacement but i want to replace the stock 305 with something that has just a little bit more pop to it.

In all reality, by the time i've got everything to do an alcohol injected, tubbed, large cubic inch, blown, and caged monster, it'll be time to chunk the 305 in favor of a big block OR install the 305 into another vehicle as a daily thing and swap a blown, injected big block into the truck or by then i might have another skeleton (a small car that accepts a big engine like a vega or something cool)

"tech, no reason to get mean about it dude...I am asking questions, or saying what I think and getting more info about it."

Hopper, I'm not gettin' mean about it, just givin' you a heapin' helpin' of reality. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings buddy. Rough day at work today.

Ask me anything you want and I'll continue to answer you to the best of my ability.

ok my first question about this...why does everyone hate the 305? i know its a small motor but they have a ton of potential? why does everyone always just add inches for more power? I mean i know its cheaper to add inches for more power but where's the originality in that?

secondly, have you used or seen anyone run with the "Flying Toilet"? If so, how'd it run? My dream, since i was old enough to understand engines, was to run a blown, alcohol injected, drag motor...Well, now that im working for a garage, i have quick access to performance parts because we build racing engines as well. There's only one guy that i know that has run with alcohol before and thats my girlfriends dad...he raced an alcohol injected naturally aspirated big block in his vega for about 10 years. Then one day he just quit racing, sold his car, and that was the last time he ever drag raced. Now he has a blown gas injected 510 big block in his 69 SS 396 that he's been tinkering with, its almost ready for the strip. (that car has about a 35,000 dollar chassis/body on it) Beautiful car.

"why does everyone hate the 305?"

I don't think it's a matter of hating the motor. Let me put it this way. Don't take a knife to a gunfight. Most everyone who is after performance wants to spend the least amount of money they have to in order to make their car/truck faster, so it makes no sense to start with a small motor and have to spend tons of money on it to make it competitive with another motor that is larger and cheaper, but makes as much or more power.

Most of us old geezers on this board have had the urge for originality in our time, but we've found out that it is very costly to be original, so we've settled in on what we know works for cheap.

Now, if you want cheap originality, go for an engine swap with a large motor to begin with. There's a kit to bolt a 500 inch Cadillac into your truck. How do you think others would react when you lift the hood and show 'em that big Lux motor. I'll bet nobody for miles around has a Cad powered Chevy truck. Bolt a 100 shot of plate nitrous on an otherwise stock Cad and you'd shread the rear tires.

Re: the flying toilet. It's a mechanical injection unit and as I said before, nobody has figured out how to make 'em work on the street. If you want to run one on a drag-only truck, go for it, they work great.
http://www.ronsfuel.com/flying_toilet.cfm

I think for now im going to build the 305, swap it into my daily truck, just keeping it mild, and then ill go out and look for something i might be able to convert to a drag car/truck...Im 17 years old so im starting really young but i make about 800 a month and i spend just under 1/2 on bills. so i can save quite a bit in a short time. Ill be saving a lot of money due to the fact that i get REAL good prices on REAL good parts, and im doing most of the work myself. I'll just put it to my girlfriend's dad like this: "i want to race and i need help" then he might help me out with a body to start with. we'll see.

what is a good cheap chassis that makes out to be a good strip/street car? and i was also told that the way to make mechanical injection streetable is to mount a small tank in the engine compartment that the main tank feeds into.

"and i was also told that the way to make mechanical injection streetable is to mount a small tank in the engine compartment that the main tank feeds into."

Hopper, you've got to start thinking for yourself. If it was that easy, don't you think everybody would be doing it. Bottom line, NO.

"what is a good cheap chassis that makes out to be a good strip/street car?"

O.K., hold onto your hat, here's the secret......light car, big motor.

Let your imagination run wild.
....Neon with a 440 Mopar wedge.....MGB with a 460 Ford.....early Datsun truck with a 500 Cad Eldorado mounted in the rear complete with trans/diff......Chevette with a 454 Chevy.....and on and on.....

hmm how bout vega/510 alcohol and blown


can you tell that i REALLY want it to run alcohol and i want it to be blown?

the vegas from what i can see make really good drag cars and they have no problem accepting HUGE motors.

Vega would make an excellent choice.

hmm. What im gonna do is build this motor for my truck, just an all around fun performer and then just keep putting money back until i can afford what i want to do. it might be awhile but i should be able to make it happen. Also, i might buy another car, something good on gas, sell my truck with the new motor/new transmission, and use that money for buying a rolling chassis for a couple hundred from someone that has too many projects (i.e EBAY) and then dump the rest of my money into the engine on the drag car. Ill spend about 500 on the new engine for my truck and it will up the resell by at least 1000 and couple that with the new transmission, i'd like to think that it will sell for 3000-3500. Pay 500 for a good rolling chassis and then id have 3000 dollars to use on an engine...Think that will get me a ways down the road for a drag car? I also have 800 in the bank, and i get paid on saturday...thatll add 200 more so it might work out...

A wise man once said, "There is no substitution for cubic inches." That said, the only good 305 is at the bottom of a deep lake. I have a young friend who continually poors money into his 305 and he wonders why he can't get into the 12's.

Get a 350 and stroke it to a 383. Of course you'll still get your lunch handed to you by a newer Gen III engine, especially when stroked to 427 or 454.

Why two superchargers? Why not not just one correctly sized for the engine? The T-Bird supercharger is an Eaton M90 and it's the same supercharger used on the Grand Prix, Regal, Impala, etc. These are suitable for V-6's. Look at the Eaton M112. This is the unit on the Ford Lightning & Cobra and Jaguar XKR. It's also the same unit Magnacharger sells in their complete kits. It's good for V-8's. Just for the sake of packaging, if you really think you need to superchargers, you'd be better of with two centrifical units than two roots style.

Unless this is being built to class rules, you'll be far better running EFI than mechanical. The ability of the computer to keep an optimal air/fuel ratio is what has allowed superchagers to be used in OEM applications. As for the methanol, why? You realize a methanol fire is hard to see, right?

I like to adhere to the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) principle. Complicating things for the sake of being different doesn't mean it'll work better or make more power. If you are going to go through the cost of a crank, pistons, etc., why waste it on a 305? I don't know about you, but I try not to waste money that can be used on better things.

And last, remember, the engine is simply a glorified air pump. The more air in and the more air out, equals more power. You could use five superchargers and not make power when the air being crammed into the engine is choked by a lack of displacement and stock truck heads. As Racer Rick mentioned, save your money and do it right the first time.