Not really to thrilled about Harbor Frieght stuff.I have a few things I bought there ,but it's just cheap China stuff,or looks like it at least. I am planning to invest about 6 to 10 thousand on a good machine.Used is ok also I will probably get more for my money if I go the used route.I definitely don't have 150 k to get a top notch one. From reading your replies maybe I am asking a little to much out of a bender.Maybe I will check into the pre bent stuff and get a smaller bender for roll bar type stuff.