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I am suprrised you can buy 100ll at your local airport.I work at a small airport and we are not allowed to put it into anything but an airplane.It is also $4.40 a gallon which doesn't make it very cheap. Maybe thats only a California deal?

Pat, Bob, Dave and Nitro got it right and post a lot of good info.

E85 is usually $0.25 to $0.50 cheaper than reg gas at the pump. As noted if you up the compression and rejet the carb with a minor adjust of timing you can get a pretty good running motor that there is no need for high dollar racing fuel. The gas mileage may not be quite as high but you surely will have reliable power.

Pretty easy in my mind.

Avgas for cars should be run thru Myth Busters....busted. Save it for aircraft.

If we could get the electrolizers to last longer at an affordable price, we could all go Hydrogen and give the international peace sign to the petroleum companys. It is very potent fuel for power. Denny's right about the fuel mileage. Most cars will have to run on average 40-50% richer to achieve the burn rate they want. Any alcohol base fuel has more oxygen in it compared to your petroleum based fuels therefore at your present setup, you're leaning the motor out thus requiring added consumption thru the carb or injectors. Any alcohol fuel is good horse power to run, just not going to see money savings.

Originally Posted by nitrowarrior

......... we could all go Hydrogen and give the international peace sign to the petroleum companys.

Beep Beep!!

We spend a lot of time around here attempting to help folks analyze the source of problems. The more accurate at that we are, the more likely the problem will be solved properly. Blaming the oil companies for short supplies and wildly swinging prices is a game we've been conned into for nearly 35 years. How's that worked for us? In sales we call the tactic "Hey, look at this shiney thing over here!!" when the real culprit uses a distraction technique (like a magician) to call attention away from what they are doing that might not be helpful to the customer/user. Too significant a number of our political class who wishes to have us be dependant on them for our livelyhood have repeatedly restricted the flow of domestic raw material (crude oil) by forbidding coastal drilling, refusing to allow production of huge reserves in extremely remote Alaska, and so on. They also make it economically impractical to build new facilities to refine the raw material forcing the existing units to work at near impossible levels to keep up with the growing energy needs of an expanding economy. Yet many of our citizenry (you know if you're one of them) continues to blame the oil companies and return the obstructionists to office so they can continue their mischief. Gee, gotta wonder why with the same political agenda the resolution is never reached? We've chewed the cud before about what an economic boondoggle ethanol is (though many haven't learned there either), so no sense doing it again.

While you're right about the potential for hydrogen, it's not just the infancy of developing an economically viable powerplant. You have to look again at the raw material scenario. What do you propose to use for a feed stream to extract the hydrogen in sufficient quantity to meet our needs and replace petroleum? Once you begin to look at that it becomes less hopeful.............and yes, politics messes that up as well!

Heres some viewing on that very subject............winamp may be required to watch this,its free.
http://video.i-am-that-i-am.com/nsv/...e=filename.pls
http://video.i-am-that-i-am.com/nsv/...e=filename.pls
http://video.i-am-that-i-am.com/nsv/...e=filename.pls
This is a 3 part series with the top link being #1
" The world over a barrel" is the name of this series of videos
http://www.winamp.com/player/free.php
This seems to be a pretty unbiased look at the situation,they stray left and right now and then ,but it seems like good data ?Maybe someone like Uncle Bob can watch this and shed some light on the info being presented?
Ohh I thought I would be nice and warn you ahead of time...these are full blown episodes,not 10 minute clips.

I know someone who's company did extensive research for the government on hydrogen. Until there is a miracle breakthough it costs $1.10 worth of energy to produce $1.00's worth of hydrogen.

So unless a way can be found to make PROFITABLE hydrogen fuel, ie., a cost of say .70 cents to sell for $1.00, it's all pie in the sky from Captain Future and his gang of butt pirates.

Ah ha Twitch...you head the researcher's nail on the head. It was done for the government. My research for my companies is exactly the 1.10 dollar to produce the 1.00 dollars worth of product. My employers want to make a profit, and yet the team we have is on a different plane of delevpment at a more efficient production process. We have no subsidized programs in our hydrogen research. Not to say the wind and solar departmets are not subsidized (because they are). Of course this means the Politicians are gonna get a big "cut" of these developments. My end of the deal is to produce the PEM's (membranes) and electrolizers for stand alone equipment and testing for mobilized vehichles (such as your car). We're on the brink of some good stuff that will assist in you everyday commutes and barring any stoppage (don't hold your breath), we are going to get the cost efficiency to something we all can afford. How do I know this? I'm too hard headed to back down or back off from something I know we can make work. Viable sources for hydrogen? Of course water is our main use, but the other parts of our departments have come up with some renewables that by contract, I can't speak of. It's coming. I'm doing my best to make it usable for all of us and I'll be damned if I'm run over by Big Brother. I don't quit and I don't run.

Originally Posted by nitrowarrior

My employers want to make a profit,

Sorry..........in a couple years that won't be allowed; http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/0...ic-energy-fund

If it's good enough for Hugo Chavez, it's good enough for herself!

Oh, our good buddy Hugo! You did have to bring into this and get my blood pressure up. Thanks Uncle Bob. Afterall we know these two wonderful people have our best interests at heart Interesting world in which we live in huh? 1 step forward and two steps back. You know it's gonna be guys in this hobby/industry that's gonna keep it all together.

You know hydrogen is actually kind of easy to make. All you need is a glass of water and a 9 V battery. Or zinc and hydrochloric acid.

Seriously one can harvest Hydrogen from sea water. And yeah I think it takes a little more power to do it than the hydrogen is worth right now. Of course that's only if you tap into the grid for your power. HMMMMM. Trust me it is being looked at. But you all know that if it can't turn a buck it ain't going anywhere.

Kitz

A friend of mine is an engineer, and they did all sorts of tests on the storage of small engines....what to add to the gasoline for long storage .....av gas works the best of all.....Sta-bil wasn't nearly as good!