Thread: running on hydrogen gas

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Originally Posted by sgo70

Well that's something that I wouldn't be going near. If it's just a matter of saving a bit of gas, what about adding acetone to your fuel. Has anyone ever tried this???

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/

Sean

Sean very interesting article. Anyone heard of using acetone in these small amounts? Any risk to engine or catalitic converter? o2 sensors?
From seans article it sound pretty safe and undamaging.
Might try it in the old truck, not much to lose if she dies(1993 toyota with 170k) since we will probably get a new commuter next year anyway.

Yeah, I think this topic has been flogged to death. Time to move on to other things!

What we really need here is a compact Flux Capacitor and a trunk full of fruit and veggie compost. Than the future will be ours. and the past too, if you want it.

Until then don't throw away your gas can.

Buckaroo bonzai? or Back to future? I know you can pick up those Mr. Fusions at the thrift store pretty cheap!

[QUOTE=stovens]Sean very interesting article. Anyone heard of using acetone in these small amounts? Any risk to engine or catalitic converter? o2 sensors?

I posted many many months ago that my dad has been using acetone for 2 years in his fuel, It got about the same replys as the hydrogen topic, as in no way it will work from alot who have never used it, but still are possitive it wont work. In his ford f-150 he gets an average of 3-4 mpg increase in highway mileage, as I also do in my f-150 for the last year. He gets the same results in his tahoe, But in my wifes jeep it is really not much difference. So it seems to work in some but not all. I will hear from him on the hydrogen this weekend and will post the results, you can either believe it or not.

Some one in a vintage car club I've had contact with worked in one of those corporate think tanks under government contract attempting to produce hydrogen at an economical rate for mass consumption. The problem was it took $1.10 worth of energy to produce $1.00's worth of fuel.

The few outlets that have hydrogen are not open to the public they are for experimental car fueling only. Now if this whizz in a jar dealy-o could manufacture hydrogen at an economical rate they would be doing it another way.

If one of you could invent an engine that ran on political crap, we would never run out of energy! Between now and November, there would be a surplus of fuel here in the USA.

Originally Posted by robot

If one of you could invent an engine that ran on political crap, we would never run out of energy!

Ain't that the truth.....

Hes still on his first tank of gas, no true results are ready yet to post. It seems everyone has turned this into a thread about converting you entire fuel system to run only on hydrogen, 3000 pound tanks and bombs and all. Remember this is only to assist your current feul being gasoline, to run at a better mileage rate. Anyway I will post the acurate results when I get them, until then we all remember about the Hindenberg, and oh ya, remember the days the wheel and the internet were invented, See where those stupid ideas went! Glass is half full here.

Im pulling for ya buddy! I hope it has good results, i need it.

The article on using small amounts of acetone in gasoline looks interesting but there are two cautions:

1. Acetone is highly flammable and the precaution to store it outside is a good idea.

2. Damage to paint may be the biggest problem, depending on where your fill pipe is.

Since this article is accompanied by other dubious advertisements, the idea of doing your own testing seems reasonable. 62 mpg in a Neon seems enticing but the effect may be much smaller in other cars. I may give it a try.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally Posted by stovens

Sean very interesting article. Anyone heard of using acetone in these small amounts? Any risk to engine or catalitic converter? o2 sensors?
From seans article it sound pretty safe and undamaging.
Might try it in the old truck, not much to lose if she dies(1993 toyota with 170k) since we will probably get a new commuter next year anyway.

I have experimented with this in a lawn mower engine and it seems to work, I have noticed that I can mow a lot longer with same amount of gas with acetone added. I haven't got around to testing it in a car yet.

since it takes energy from the fuel->engine->alternator/battery to produce the H2,
and this conversion isn't 100% efficient, claimimg to run more mpg
would be akin to perpetual motion.

maybe if the hydrolysis ran on solar cell mounted on the roof it would help mpg by a tiny amount? (.1%), but probably better to use the solar instead of alternator saving a touch of engine drag.

unfortunately, air drag from the solar cells on the roof and the weight of the cells probably way exceeds any gains.

The acetone was thought to solublize water in the gas, hoping to separate into h2+O and burn when it turns to a plasma.
Since combustion also produces water and it comes out the tailpipe as such, evidently this doesn't work?

acetone plays sheer hell on plastics.

Wow here is a blast from the past. I reread my posts and laughed at myself!
With the economy the way it is, no new replacement vehicles purchased, the Toyota Truck now has 187k on it, still chugging down the road, with new tires since that posting, but no other work besides oil changes!

TOol, dont forget that, until just the past few years, a solar cell's energy output NEVER equals the energy that it took to melt the sand to make the cell.....and solar cells degrade 10% per year so they never last long enough to pay for themselves....only a government handout (our tax money) makes them even close to viable (unless you live in a really remote place where solar is the cheap alternative).

mike in tucson