pat, hat was not what I meant!!! I am doing exactly want you stated!!! what I whated to know what in general was the factory timing on early 70's 454? I apreiate your help!
I took the stat out, put a gutted one in, set the timing up to 14 on crank, full av in @ 2750= 36 total timing, . starts great!,going for a drive now 11:49 am est, 90 degrees. (had tried 12 on crank earlier this morning, seemed to help some, but not enough, temp was cooler than what I has driving in on sunday)