Thread: EPA approves more ethanol in gas

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I knew it was coming, just didn't know when. It will be interesting to see how it actually plays out.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/EPA-ap...95536.html?x=0

no worries. lots of pumps here in NY have had 15% blended for a while now... but we can get Ethanol free from independent stations if we choose also.. my '74 VW Super Beetle runs just fine on 15%. I can even afford to run it on 93 octane, which being air cooled, it does run better on

saw the article also. what a stupid thing to do. not only will my car fuel system not like it but the price of beef and corn based products are going up to. dumbasses

Even 10% where I'm at causes problems especially in the summer (vapor lock/heat soak) and unfortunatly in the local area there is no non-ethanol gas.

ya aint seen nutin yet. told ya so ted

same here mike. i go through a fuel filter a month.

Other than fuel system impacts, my biggest gripe about ethanol is the lower energy value - mid grade gas is 125,000 BTU/gal while 10% ethanol blend is 76,000 BTU/gal - that's a 40% loss in energy with a cost differential of a a few per cent, if any. Taking a mileage hit for a lower quality product at nearly the same price does not sit well with me....

Geez, the Comet ran 9.90 with a 2 on E-90 Saturday!!! Don't know or care about the economics and politics of ethanol, all I know is on the street and the track I can again run 12.5 CR and higher and not have to pay thru the nose for race gas..... Ethanol isn't all bad, folks. Like most things it's just another political toy to toss around and keep the rest of us from realizing the real political problems are the politicians, not the product they support or badmouth!!!! Make sure your blame is cast in the right direction!!!!

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Geez, the Comet ran 9.90 with a 2 on E-90 Saturday!!! Don't know or care about the economics and politics of ethanol, all I know is on the street and the track I can again run 12.5 CR and higher and not have to pay thru the nose for race gas..... Ethanol isn't all bad, folks. Like most things it's just another political toy to toss around and keep the rest of us from realizing the real political problems are the politicians, not the product they support or badmouth!!!! Make sure your blame is cast in the right direction!!!!

Sure, it's a political issue, Dave, and I'm not bashing the product. What galls me is that we basically are having the choice taken away (politicians), and they (politicians) are not openly communicating that we get less value per penny with the product. If the decision was to add 10% soy milk to every gallon of milk sold, and you had to hunt for a specialty outlet to find 100% cows milk I would have the same concerns. The whole ethanol situation was not evaluated completely, and many, many people have been hurt by the push to "go green" with ethanol - those who invested in the ethanol plants that are not economially viable included. Like Barb said, if you switch all of the agri output to ethanol then prices for food skyrocket.

'nuff said, off the soapbox.

What a great idea, lets burn our food supply in our cars!

Pat

Originally Posted by rspears

Sure, it's a political issue, Dave, and I'm not bashing the product. What galls me is that we basically are having the choice taken away (politicians), and they (politicians) are not openly communicating that we get less value per penny with the product. If the decision was to add 10% soy milk to every gallon of milk sold, and you had to hunt for a specialty outlet to find 100% cows milk I would have the same concerns. The whole ethanol situation was not evaluated completely, and many, many people have been hurt by the push to "go green" with ethanol - those who invested in the ethanol plants that are not economially viable included. Like Barb said, if you switch all of the agri output to ethanol then prices for food skyrocket.

'nuff said, off the soapbox.

Absolute truth, Rog.... But the same crap has been going on in politics over many, many "products" for better then 3 decades now.. Those in power have discovered that getting the voters to argue about the "product" and/or blaming the "other party" keeps them in office!!! Instead of just running ALL THE BUMS out of office and letting a new batch of first termers see if they can get it right!!! A couple rounds of those of us who should be controlling what goes on in government VOTING OUT ALL THE INCUMBANTS from dog catcher to President might actually get their attention....

Originally Posted by Stu Cool

What a great idea, lets burn our food supply in our cars!

Pat

Don't worry Pat, excellent year around here for crops, yields are ridiculously high and the price at market keeps dropping every day.... Looks like another surplus and subsidy year--and more government control of the free market!!!! When shortages are claimed, be sure to check the amount of ag products held in surplus storage by the government before you buy into that lame argument!!! Being an ex-farmer and a current land owner, got to admit I enjoyed the subsidy checks for over production and the resultant surplus...but I also consider it to be "hush money" to keep us farmers and land owners happy!!!!!! Your government at work.....

I agree with you about having a choice. But on the other side of the argument, is it better to get the other 5% from our own country or raw product imported from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc.? Just sayin' . . . .

I just read this past weekend that someone is perfecting the refining of people and dog poo for automobile fuel. I bet the porta john folks will be happy Hmmmm. Now, let's see, which car at that light is using McDonald's fryer oil and which is using the.....

On 100% gas my truck will average ~11.5-12.0 in stop and go driving. On 10%+/- ethanol, lucky to see 10 - 10.4 and driving like I have an egg between my foot and the gas(?) pedal

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Don't worry Pat, excellent year around here for crops, yields are ridiculously high and the price at market keeps dropping every day.... Looks like another surplus and subsidy year--and more government control of the free market!!!! When shortages are claimed, be sure to check the amount of ag products held in surplus storage by the government before you buy into that lame argument!!! Being an ex-farmer and a current land owner, got to admit I enjoyed the subsidy checks for over production and the resultant surplus...but I also consider it to be "hush money" to keep us farmers and land owners happy!!!!!! Your government at work.....

Dave,

Glad to hear your having a good year in your neighborhood, but this is a global thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/bu...er=rss&emc=rss

Having a grand daughter with corn allergies, we have discovered that corn seems to be in just about everything. Burning it in our cars will have an impact on availablity(less) and cost(more) of our food, count on it!

Next question is, will mid grade gas disappear as stations are required to have an E15 or E85 pump?

Pat