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anybody with real experience im putting a 350 in a 63 ford falcon. are there anything that i can do to make this as easy? like what to cut or something? or whats the hardest thing so i know wat to expect

Originally Posted by krayjackson

anybody with real experience im putting a 350 in a 63 ford falcon. are there anything that i can do to make this as easy? like what to cut or something? or whats the hardest thing so i know wat to expect

If I were going to do this, I'd use an S10 front clip and adapt it to the Falcon unibody at the firewall. You will have to eliminate the shock towers and that would be the easiest and cheapest way to do it in my opinion.

Get up under a running S10 and lay an angle finder on the lower control arm. Record the angle. When you have your clip cut out of a donor truck, remove the springs and use allthread and nuts to establish the same angle on the lower control arm. Bolt the wheels and tires into place. Set the attitude of the body where you want it. Move the clip into place with the centerline of the spindle establishing your wheelbase front to rear. Use whatever materials you need to in order to graft the clip to the Falcon sheetmetal body. Adapt the brake master cylinder and booster from the S10. Use universal joints and DD shafting to adapt the Falcon steering column to the S10 steering box after you have the engine in place. The steering will wind its way through the headers.

Use a tubular transmission mount, bolted or welded into the Falcon sheetmetal.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tubula...Drop,4356.html

Out back, shorten a 9" Ford housing, weld spring pads on to match the Falcon springs. Mount the housing and install Caltrac bars.

Lean on the many forums and publications that are available for swapping a V8 into a S10.
http://www.s10v8.com/

You'll need a flat and level working surface, otherwise everything will be skewed out of whack.

If you ever do get this done and running, you'll get tired of it someday and want to sell it. Be advised that the Chevy guys won't want it because the motor is in a Ford. Also be advised that the Ford guys won't want it because it has a damned Chevrolet motor in it.

Why not put a Ford stroker 8.2 deck motor in it---looks stock--uses all stock suspension and will blow off any 350 sbc/s10 stub frame falcon you run up against!!

thanks for the advice

I agree with Richard, the shock towers might be a problem, even a sbf has a problem fitting down in one of these, if I remember correctly. I think I saw a swap years ago where they notched the towers and welded in plates that gave additional room between the two.

Don

a 289/302 will bolt in with the right mounts, as they were offered with 260's... 351W is a tight fit/ notching required because there wider and taller.

You can do a Dart SHP 8.2 block out to 368 cubes a lot easier and cheaper than changing the front half of the car

Yeah, yeah, everybody wants him to install a Ford. That was not his question. His question was how to put a 350 Chevy into a '63 Falcon and I answered that the best that I could. How about some of you other guys getting with the program and answer his question instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. I don't think there is any way that a 350 with headers is going to fit into a Falcon without removing the shock towers and using a different front clip. If you've done it with the shock towers in place, then step up to the plate and tell us how to do it.

Originally Posted by Louey

Yeah, Yeah, lets throw a 350 Chevy in it... I already said how I would do it, and yes, I have done this. I posted links for him to look at the way they have done this. You 350 Chevy guys, and add a S-10 clip, are funny...

Louey, your post #3 has to do with puttin' a Ford motor into a Falcon. It does not address the shock towers and has exactly NOTHING to do with the OP's question.

Your post #8 has 3 links, all with having to do with puttin' a Ford motor into a Falcon. Your comment at the bottom of that post says you put a 428 into a '69 Ranchero by hammering on the shock towers with a hammer. Exactly NONE of this has to do with dropping a 350 Chevy into a '63 Falcon.

Your post #11 says you have put a 350 Chevy into a Falcon. Well, then for God's sake, step up and tell the OP how to do it.

I'm pretty sure you've never done it because you're making fun of changing out the clip to something that will accept the 350 without the pan gettin' in the way of the crossmember or the headers becoming entwined in the front spring coils.

If you can step up to the plate and detail how to do it, then by all means, step up and tell us how. Otherwise, you should not make the remarks you did in your post #11. You're just confirming that you're an IDIOT.

One more time now, this is about putting a C-H-E-V-Y 350 into a Falcon, not a freakin' Ford into a Falcon. If you can help, speak up. If not, take a nap.

OK--settle down---couple things---OP in post one said 350----he did not state chevy

And, A guy I knew back in the 60s, put a Latham supercharged chevy, altho at that time it was a 283 (maybe a 327) into an earlier falcon---for the exhaust (weren't many headers(hedders?) at that time) he used a piece of 2 x4 retanglar tubing flat against the head and across all ports with an exit pipe forward and then down and back. Ran very strong!!!!!

Of course he used a Borg warner t10 and a 1957 ford 9 inch rear

I owned a '60 Falcon that I put a SB Chevy in (my one and only trip to Chebbie land) but never totally finished - wedding bells, lack of $$ - now she, the car and a heluva lot of $$ are long gone

While it's been many years, the gist was that I cut out the shock towers, made up a cross member and stub frame, then bolted in a Ford I beam axle - Econoline. With those towers gone, I then had lots of room for headers - Hedman. My recollection was that I used a '56 differential(??), a B-W GM transmission - and a motley bunch of junk yard parts. I did run nice, but the handling never got straightened out (reason - see above)

A lot easier to go with the SB Ford

well i do not know much on the falcon,but did ford use the floor and unbody for the mustang ? i do know a bit about the chevy II as i built headers for two with bbc with stock front ends i did cut and re box in the towers if and thing like a chevy II it is a bitch but can be done

Originally Posted by Louey

WOW...The man with balls of steel has spoken...I hope that name techinspector means you work at a factory checking parts, cause it sure doesn't show me any wrenching abilities, except reading what all the others are doing on the Chevy sites.
To call me an idiot without knowing me is a major brain fart on your part Dick. That is correct right ? Richard, Dick for nick name ?

This is no more than I would expect from a person with a small mind. This never would have gotten blown out of proportion if you had just answered the OP's question instead of blowin' off about puttin' a Ford motor in there.

Originally Posted by Louey

I did help.

How did you help? By explaining how to fit a 428 into a '69 Ranchero with a hammer? How was that helpful?

Originally Posted by Louey

I shall refrain from posting on any posts when such great knowledge is present, that you have posted.

You don't have to do that. Just try to follow along with the original question and see if you can contribute anything useful. At least after reading my reply, the OP knows that there is at least one way to put a 350 into a '63 Falcon and have it work.

Originally Posted by Louey

Ah, Do you know what OR means ???
#3 post, after yours:
Or, you could beef up the springs if the Falcon is a 6. Change frame mounts, Beef up rear springs, from 4 leafs to 6, and install a 351W. Much simpler.

Are we alert yet ?

There is no frame in a '63 Falcon. And the springs have nothing to do with getting the motor in place other than being in the way. With a S10 clip change, one call to Eaton Detroit Spring will have the correct springs on the way the following day and off-the-shelf headers are available.

There is probably a way to do it if you use cast iron exhaust manifolds and beat hell out of the shock towers with a BFH, but the stock manifolds will give up about 60 hp to a good set of headers. If I had to use manifolds, I'd re-think the whole project in the first place.

And for the last time in this thread, the OP did not ask about installing a 351W, he asked about installing a 350. Now, I took this to mean a 350 Chevy, but Jerry Clayton said the OP just said 350 and maybe it could be another kind of 350. Well, I guess it could be a 308 Hudson poked and stroked to 350, but I doubt it. It could also be a 350 Pontiac or 350 Buick or 350 Oldsmobile, but I doubt that also.

The way to make it easy is to put a 289/302 Ford in it with stock mounts and stock beef up parts for the front end.