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Oh well, guess I must be a dummy to, Roger!!!! Mine get ran in and a few pulls on the engine dyno, then when it's all installed and ready to go we go to Andy's and do the final tune-up on the chassis dyno!!!! Two dyno's, I must be a double dummy, huh?????

Seems to be a bit of confusion between what's a performance crate engine from one of the manufacturer's vs. a cheapy rebuild from XYZ rebuilders...... I've bought a few performance crate engines from Ford, and they were built by Ford!!!! Both Ford and Chevy now have a few "sealed" engines built and dyno'd to race in different classes, drag racing and circle track, as well as a whole host of street engines..... they are not built by some low bid sub contractor, either.

So how much did you spend for each of the dyno runs??? did they use your induction/exhaust/accessories????????


Did you run it thru the gears on the chassis dyno or just a pull from some selected rpm??????????

This is all so very interesting, but I have to go sort my socks . . .

Yes, we run all the gears on the chassis dyno, the car is complete when we get there, all the parts are on the car and used for the pulls. The dyno is hooked to Andy's computer so the readouts you can get are limited only by how many sensors you hook up on carbed cars... On EFI cars, the connections are much easier and the information the computer gathers is kind of like unlimited possibilities!!! Andy is also the guy who does all the computer tweaking on the car. As for the price, cheap!!! Last time was $275.00 for 3 pulls and his time tweaking the computer after each pass. Couldn't learn that much information about the car in a dozen passes at the track, when the car gets to the track it's tuned and competitive and don't have to waste time going round after round trying to get equal results...

Originally Posted by rspears

Chevythunder,
Glad that you're hanging in and considering your options. I hope you get where you want to be, and I look forward to hearing about your build as you go. I really think you ought to give the Chevrolet Performance Parts "crate" engines some consideration, and take time to call the dealer and get the net price vs list, as they discount pretty deep!



Jerry, not sure where you're getting your info on engines from Chevrolet Performance, but if you go direct to Chevy (link - Crate Engines: Powerful and Classic Chevy Race Engines | Chevrolet ) the engine listed there, from the base 290hp 350 to the LSX454R are all "GM Certified Parts" built in the GM Engine works, and carrying the full GM warranty (Call 800-450-4150 to chat with GM Performance Parts if you want to confirm my understanding.) I consider them a great alternative for someone who may not need a custom build. I'm pretty sure that the same goes for Ford engines from Ford Racing Parts Direct, but I have not talked to them today. They are Ford Certified Parts, I know that they are available from your local Ford Dealer, and I am pretty confident that Ford will say that they are built by Ford shops and carry Ford warranty. Buying a takeout engine from salvage is of course a great alternative, too!



Pat,
You're taking one thing out of what I said, twisting my words and then calling me a dumb ass? If you look back, what I said (in part) was
I offered what are important things to me based on my experience, and mostly that anyone can toss out a line of BS, but if they can back it up with some hard evidence that shows success it's more than hot air. Maybe that's successes by clients in pro ranks, time slips from the track, published results on their engines, or even a dyno run on the engine built for me. When a guy says, "This engine will put out 600HP and 700ftlbs of torque", but offers nothing to verify it how does one really know? I've said nothing about you, your shop, or your capabilities as a builder here and there's no reason for me to. I've simply stated what I consider things that a prudent customer looking for a complete, assembled engine might want to consider, and it's my opinion and nothing more. If that makes me a dumb ass then I guess I'll just have to accept that and move on. I'll not add anything further to this thread.

no i did not call you a dumb ass ? maybe hard for you to take but like said i made HP number on a real dyno some engine are dyno and not. i said not all guys have the coin but done both with real dyno and sems . my shop face book has some if anyone gives a rats ass . but i am all out of time on this . i am about done ... last engine 540bbc low buck build 427 tall deck i said it should make 650hp as i was builing it low cr engine made 700 hp . 632 cid winner of hill climb took all class.s 1 st place . is on dune TV.. i said engine would clear 1000 when getting built it easy made 1200 hp one time one dyno . so many guys take the word of a good builder and most will back there output of there engines. i have some customer that dyno there engines on classis dynos. i wish more guys would with there parts headers muffler water pump are used . i said in my post and said .. tuned in. i was thinking most knew what i meant a chassis dyno

WOW! Are we really gonna start this cr-p again!

Originally Posted by 36 sedan

WOW! Are we really gonna start this cr-p again!

sigh.

What he said.

This happens all the time,with this forum and others!! The problem is that some on here are professionals and make a living building engines and cars! I dont know Pat or Jerry but I,m sure that they build quality engines,I myself am a amateur and hobbyist. The engine that I would need would fall in the crate engine category where street miles at low RPM with good torque numbers.If you think about it how many seconds are you above 3000 RPMS on the street? Race engines you go with a Pro but the street is different.Now I,ll clime back under my rock till I have another thought!! Pete

I'm staying out of this one.

Okay.. Deceased Equine... stop swinging!

Another reminder of the sign that hung in my Dad's shop, "Professionals built the Titanic, Amateurs built the Ark"........

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Another reminder of the sign that hung in my Dad's shop, "Professionals built the Titanic, Amateurs built the Ark"........

...and one that I inherited from my father-in-law, made in ceramics by his wife, especially for him - "A Closed Mouth Gathers No Foot...."

Originally Posted by 34_40

Okay.. Deceased Equine... stop swinging!

But I know if I beat on her some she'll get up and I can ride into the sunset............

Originally Posted by 36 sedan

But I know if I beat on her some she'll get up and I can ride into the sunset............

" Happy trails to you, until we meet again.........."

Originally Posted by 34_40

Okay.. Deceased Equine... stop swinging!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjoMQJf5vKI Pete