Duane--Thanks for the kind words. When I first got into rod building, I just about went stone crazy trying to get information on things like brackets for batwings, etcetera. I had damn little money to buy aftermarket bracketry, in fact, when I got into the hobby there was a pretty limited supply of aftermarket stuff available---not like it is now. The other issue, (and its a big one), was having a full understanding of exactly how the bracket worked, in terms of active and reactive forces applied to it by the working of the cars suspension, acceleration, etcetera. What material to use, how thick should the material be, what kind of welding to use. Nutter has it right---that info is very difficult to find, and there is a lot of bad and downright unsafe information floating around on the internet. Thats why I did the "how To" thread on frame building, and why I still try to help anyone who asks for it. Itoldyouso's thread is also a perfect example of the right way to build a hotrod---Don shows excellent craftmanship, and very innovative design ideas.---Brian